Trump coming to Wildwood on Jan 28

STANV said:

I think that for many of the people who got to Trump rallies it is just entertainment. 

The closest analogy is "Professional" Wrestling.

well, maybe, but I don't think there are that many wrestling fans who line up the day before.

And even if it's just "entertainment", you have to be in a pretty sad place to find Trump's hate mongering entertaining.

RealityForAll said:

I don't think the Eagles fans were the primary cause of the overflowing garbage cans. If you think that was my point then you are wrong.

I didn’t think that was your point. I described your comparison as “an attempt to explain” — not to criticize — behavior.

When the system temporarily breaks down - what do you do?

As it happens, I’ve had some experience taking chairs and blankets to a line to wait overnight to get into an arena that didn’t allow them inside. Afterward, we retrieved our belongings and took them back to the dorm. At no time did any of us conceive that a system was supposed to pick up these items after us.

What system did you, RFA, have in mind that’s tasked with doing so and fails when it doesn’t?

BG9 said:

Yet they do not make the connections. Which convinces me they are brain dead.

The red states have the highest, ridiculously high opioid addiction rates. Family values. If they had a drug test, besides the gun check, I'm sure his rally venues would be mostly empty.

 Wow, please reread your statement re the Americans who live  in OUR Red States! Just write them off. I don’t know what your “family values” words about?

“Proverbial stick in the eye” pales in comparison to your choice of words.

RealityForAll said:

 Steve, 

I have answered all your questions.

You are new on the scene.  Are you an alter-ego of another MOL poster?

 So you're not new on the scene? Alter ego....caramba!!!

mtierney said:

 Wow, please reread your statement re the Americans who live  in OUR Red States! Just write them off. 

Of course we are writing them off.  Any Republican who had a shred of decency left the party after 2016.  Those who remain are truly irredeemable deplorables.  There is no talking to them, there is no reasoning with them there is, at the end of the day, no hope for them.  You are, obviously, a perfect example of what I am talking about.

Klinker said:

mtierney said:

 Wow, please reread your statement re the Americans who live  in OUR Red States! Just write them off. 

Of course we are writing them off.  Any Republican who had a shred of decency left the party after 2016.  Those who remain are truly irredeemable deplorables.  There is no talking to them, there is no reasoning with them there is, at the end of the day, no hope for them.  You are, obviously, a perfect example of what I am talking about.

 Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is?

My usual occasional rant: 

imo, not all those who voted for Trump in 2016 fit Klinker's description.  Different people had different reasons.  Different people have seen the past 3+ years differently.  If Democrats do not promote and explain their policies to people who may have voted R in 2016 but have interests in common with Ds (e.g., those who may have thought he actually had a clue and a plan about health care), policies that will benefit the country as a whole, they are passing up important votes that may be available, as well as contributing to disrespect and divisiveness in the country.

Spoken as a lifelong Democrat, currently deeply sad and frightened about the state of the US.  Fire away.

mtierney said:

That there are thousands of Americans who spent a frigid night, curled up in a blanket, needing to pee and eat, to witness a Trump rally, right here in New Jersey, is a proverbial  stick in a liberal eye. So, the discussion turns to crowd debris! 

 You'll no doubt be happy to hear that an even bigger stick in the liberal eye is the fact that disgraceful people like you can and do live in THIS community.  

Red_Barchetta said:

mtierney said:

That there are thousands of Americans who spent a frigid night, curled up in a blanket, needing to pee and eat, to witness a Trump rally, right here in New Jersey, is a proverbial  stick in a liberal eye. So, the discussion turns to crowd debris! 

 You'll no doubt be happy to hear that an even bigger stick in the liberal eye is the fact that disgraceful people like you can and do live in THIS community.  

 mtierney is disgraceful why?

a.  different POV

b.  voted for DJT in 2016

c. supports RC church

d. all of the above

e. other

mjc said:

My usual occasional rant: 

imo, not all those who voted for Trump in 2016 fit Klinker's description.  Different people had different reasons.  Different people have seen the past 3+ years differently.  If Democrats do not promote and explain their policies to people who may have voted R in 2016 but have interests in common with Ds (e.g., those who may have thought he actually had a clue and a plan about health care), policies that will benefit the country as a whole, they are passing up important votes that may be available, as well as contributing to disrespect and divisiveness in the country.

Spoken as a lifelong Democrat, currently deeply sad and frightened about the state of the US.  Fire away.

 Its just possible that some people who voted for Trump in 2016 woke up when he voiced sympathy for the white supremacists who had just murdered a woman in Charlottesville, Virginia or when he started locking kids in cages or when he betrayed our allies in Syria but today, in January of 2020, all those people are gone.  If you are ok enough with all of the above to support the man who did it, you are absolutely DEPLORABLE and demonstrably irredeemable.

Re the rubbish issue: may I ask, aren’t you taught that if there are no available receptacles to take your rubbish home with you? We are; it’s ‘campers law’ - you take home what you carried in. 
And RFA, re traffic light breakdown: weren’t you taught in your driving lessons (and questioned in your licence test) what to do at an intersection where the usual controls weren’t functioning? That seems to happen everywhere else. Which means there are regulations in effect, whether State or federal. 
I’ll butt out now. Interesting discussion. 

joanne said:

Re the rubbish issue: may I ask, aren’t you taught that if there are no available receptacles to take your rubbish home with you? We are; it’s ‘campers law’ - you take home what you carried in. 
And RFA, re traffic light breakdown: weren’t you taught in your driving lessons (and questioned in your licence test) what to do at an intersection where the usual controls weren’t functioning? That seems to happen everywhere else. Which means there are regulations in effect, whether State or federal. 
I’ll butt out now. Interesting discussion. 

Trash is difficult to take home as the persons generating the trash are trying to get into the convention center.  My understanding is that the convention center barred chairs and blankets from being allowed in the center.  In a perfect world, everyone would pack their stuff out (just as I use to do when backpacking).  Where do you leave your stuff when you go into the Convention Center?  Alternatively, the Convention Center could just put out more garbage cans and picked up trash more often.

With regard to usual controls not functioning ("UCNF"), my experience is as follows:  

i.) never discussed what to do when UCNF during driver education classroom class; 

ii.)  never discussed what to do when UCNF during driver education on the road class (provided by the high school that I attended)*; and

iii.) motor vehicles laws are generally set forth by the individual US states and NJ has no provision regarding what to do when UCNF AFAIK.

In the past (when I was younger), I have asked police officers here in NJ about this UCNF situation and they told me to use common-sense.

*- we did discuss in the road class that a person with the right-of-way cannot lawfully surrender it.  Apparently, this was one of the old time trick issues that was sometimes presented by the state examiner during the road test.

joanne said:

Re the rubbish issue: may I ask, aren’t you taught that if there are no available receptacles to take your rubbish home with you? 

 My God, should anyone need to be taught that?

Red_Barchetta said:

 My God, should anyone need to be taught that?

Given the fact that these people are Trumpkins, education probably isn't really an option.  They don't want any of your "fake rules". A complete disregard for societies norms is why we are in this situation in the first place.

To be clear, these people were gathered to cheer a man who brags about committing sexual assault.

RealityForAll said:

Where do you leave your stuff when you go into the Convention Center? 

You mean instead of where they did leave their stuff? (And where it remained, awaiting retrieval — except that people didn’t retrieve it.)

I guess the system that failed here was the Chair and Blanket Disposal Service that the public can usually depend on.

Klinker said:

To be clear, these people were gathered to cheer a man who brags about committing sexual assault.

 Could be these people were not from Jersey. They just didn't care about leaving all the stuff for the liberals to pick up. 

mjc said:

My usual occasional rant: 

imo, not all those who voted for Trump in 2016 fit Klinker's description.  Different people had different reasons.  Different people have seen the past 3+ years differently.  If Democrats do not promote and explain their policies to people who may have voted R in 2016 but have interests in common with Ds (e.g., those who may have thought he actually had a clue and a plan about health care), policies that will benefit the country as a whole, they are passing up important votes that may be available, as well as contributing to disrespect and divisiveness in the country.

Spoken as a lifelong Democrat, currently deeply sad and frightened about the state of the US.  Fire away.

If Trump is an ethics test, Democrats are lucking out here -- ethics and partisanship are aligning for them. Were the situation reversed, I think a majority would fare as poorly as Republicans are currently doing. I think it would be a smaller majority -- there would be more dissent, and it would be louder -- but would be a majority nonetheless.*

*The difference is in the composition of the parties, not in the individual moral virtue of the members. The Democratic coalition is more diverse, and the depth of partisan identity with personal identity correspondingly less tight, making it easier for Democrats to dissent from their party than Republicans fro theirs.

RealityForAll said:

joanne said:

Trash is difficult to take home as the persons generating the trash are trying to get into the convention center.  

 Waaaaaaaahhhh, it's hard.  Someone needs to come and take away the trash I've left here.  Sounds like some kind of socialism to me.  

DaveSchmidt said:

I guess the system that failed here was the Chair and Blanket Disposal Service that the public can usually depend on.

 Alas, an occasion were a red wheelbarrow would have been useful, but could not be depended upon.

PVW said:

 Alas, an occasion were a red wheelbarrow would have been useful, but could not be depended upon.

Someone. Help me. Off. The floor.

Sorry, I would have thought a Convention Centre would have an area to check the various bits you can’t take in with you (like umbrellas, overcoats, spare batteries for mobility scooters etc). Convention Centres routinely expect very large audiences to attend, and staff such areas even when participants are advised not to carry certain articles. (I’ve organised large regional fora)

I also routinely carry folded bags within my handbag that can serve, and have, as trash bags for groups of 30 when necessary. I don’t expect The City Council to always have capacity to cater for me, I was brought up to be independent and responsible. 

Re the driver testing: I’m truly surprised at the differences that I learn between your system and what I hear from my friends elsewhere around the world. Especially since we know that ‘common sense’ is not ‘common’ nor ‘usual’, and is frequently open to interpretation under stressful situations. In careful designed defensive driving courses, situations such as uncontrolled intersections (where they are usually controlled) should be covered. The information usually begins with ensuring all road conditions are safe, seeking the source of danger, watching for a police officer controlling traffic, and moving on through scenarios from there. I’m sure your federal driving code will have information. Perhaps your national auto club can help you find it? 

This Connecticut insurance company has advice: https://www.doughertyinsurance.com/2012/11/01/traffic-lights-not-working-what-do-you-do/

And this drivers ed site had clear, easy advice but you need to scroll down. You can contact them for a NJ refresher session on the topic.

https://driversed.com/driving-information/signs-signals-and-markings/traffic-signals.aspx

Red_Barchetta said:

mtierney said:

That there are thousands of Americans who spent a frigid night, curled up in a blanket, needing to pee and eat, to witness a Trump rally, right here in New Jersey, is a proverbial  stick in a liberal eye. So, the discussion turns to crowd debris! 

 You'll no doubt be happy to hear that an even bigger stick in the liberal eye is the fact that disgraceful people like you can and do live in THIS community.  

 You’ll no doubt be happy that she doesn’t live here anymore.

Joanne, when you go shopping, do you bag your own groceries at the checkout?

ridski said:

Joanne, when you go shopping, do you bag your own groceries at the checkout?

 Yep, usually - well tbh we bring our own and D bags unless I’m shopping alone.  Even at the butcher shop, we’ll hand over our containers and our cold bag, and they’ll fill as appropriate. 
At the green grocer yesterday, we brought our own big lunch-boxes and D had them filled with fresh peeled and cut pineapple slices. We rarely bag fruit or veg apart from the big carry-bag.

joanne said:

.... We rarely bag fruit or veg apart from the big carry-bag.

I tell you, sometimes I feel like a real rebel here in the states when I don't bag my produce. It's very uncommon.

joanne said:

ridski said:

Joanne, when you go shopping, do you bag your own groceries at the checkout?

 Yep, usually - well tbh we bring our own and D bags unless I’m shopping alone.  Even at the butcher shop, we’ll hand over our containers and our cold bag, and they’ll fill as appropriate. 
At the green grocer yesterday, we brought our own big lunch-boxes and D had them filled with fresh peeled and cut pineapple slices. We rarely bag fruit or veg apart from the big carry-bag.

 Here in the US, people with perfectly functioning arms and nothing else to do stand there like lemons while the cashier bags everything for them. Some stores even have people who are paid to bag your groceries.

Some people are just not used to doing things for themselves, and that includes picking up their own trash. 

Then they don’t deserve ice-cream for breakfast (even on Belgian waffles)

ridski said:

 You’ll no doubt be happy that she doesn’t live here anymore.

 A Maplewoodian for 47 years counts for nothing?