The end of Roe. (no more question mark)

ridski said:

nohero said:

A little nip and tuck to the "Prohibited and Restricted Items" in the laws governing the United States Postal Service will take care of this.  The "Postal Police" will be knocking on your door.

STANDARD PROHIBITED AND RESTRICTED ITEMS (usps.com)

DeJoy is still in charge, after all.

It doesn't matter who is in charge right now.  A GOP congress, or another GOP president, and there it is.


Looks like UPS will be getting the business then?  Perhaps a Bezos drone?  Sky's the limit here for tech startups to intersect on this opportunity.  Silicon Valley to the rescue....


dave said:

Perhaps the media should be covering this more.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/plan-c-secret-option-mail-order-abortion/620324/

It’s unclear to me whether “it’s just that few have heard of them” is really the only obstacle. From an earlier article by the same writer:

However, the FDA told me, “Mifepristone, including Mifeprex, for termination of pregnancy is not legally available over the Internet. The agency takes the allegations related to the sale of mifepristone in the U.S. through online distribution channels very seriously and is evaluating the allegations to assess potential violations of U.S. law.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/women-on-web-safe-abortion-mail/573322/

Among the FDA requirements:

  • Mifeprex must be ordered, prescribed and dispensed by or under the supervision of a healthcare provider who prescribes and who meets certain qualifications;
  • Mifeprex may only be dispensed in clinics, medical offices, and hospitals by or under the supervision of a certified healthcare provider;
  • Pharmacies that dispense mifepristone must be certified.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/postmarket-drug-safety-information-patients-and-providers/mifeprex-mifepristone-information


PVW said:

What Americans Can Expect If Abortion Pills Become Their Only Safe Option (538)

From that article: “Anti-abortion lawmakers have realized this and are trying to crack down on the mail distribution of abortion pills in several states.”


PVW said:

What Americans Can Expect If Abortion Pills Become Their Only Safe Option (538)

You haven't seen anything yet.

If the Republicans gain control of congress and the WH expect a Federal law outlawing abortion as murder. Under the supremacy clause that law would supersede state laws. 

The law will be upheld because the supreme court will rule that the 14th Amendment constitutional guarantee of right to life applies to fetuses.


As opposed to the egregious breach of trust committed by justices who promised to respect precedent. 


I guess I picked the right time to move to Canada. 


They lied? Little late to be concerned, Sen. Collins.

  • Senator Susan Collins of Maine, one of the few Republican supporters of abortion rights in Congress, expressed anger at Justices Neil M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh, saying their reported support for the draft ruling “would be completely inconsistent” with what they had told her about their views of Roe as settled law.

Collins memorably provided the pivotal vote for Kavanaugh in 2018, delivering a fiery speech that largely defended him from Democratic attacks. Her apparent certainty that Kavanaugh would not fundamentally mess with abortion rights was so strong that she was practically singing it from the rooftops:

Sen. Susan Collins repeatedly saying Kavanaugh won’t vote to overturn Roe v. Wade: pic.twitter.com/WDwFxtNtgu

— j.d. durkin

During his confirmation hearings, Kavanaugh said that Roe was “settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court” and noted that it had been “reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years.” Gorsuch was considerably more evasive during his hearings, though he did say of Roe that “a good judge will consider it as precedent of the United States Supreme Court, worthy of treatment as precedent, like any other.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/susan-collins-shocked-roe-v-wade.html


RTrent said:

They lied? Little late to be concerned, Sen. Collins.

  • Senator Susan Collins of Maine, one of the few Republican supporters of abortion rights in Congress, expressed anger at Justices Neil M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh, saying their reported support for the draft ruling “would be completely inconsistent” with what they had told her about their views of Roe as settled law.

If Brett Kavanaugh lied about this, you wonder what else he lied about.


GoSlugs said:

If Brett Kavanaugh lied about this, you wonder what else he lied about.

Who wonders about this?  We all know that he lied about it all.


Steve said:

GoSlugs said:

If Brett Kavanaugh lied about this, you wonder what else he lied about.

Who wonders about this?  We all know that he lied about it all.

My comment was directed towards the Susan Collins of this world who apparently have an infinite capacity to believe transparent lies.



So let’s talk about taking the oral medication, for a few minutes. 
-Firstly, this medication is contraindicated for loads of women: if the pregnancy isn’t confirmed; if ou use an IUD; if the pregnancy is ectopic; if you’re on any inhalers (asthmatics etc); if you’ve got any bleeding disorders (which in this case would include the excess bleeding that comes with endo and PCOS); if you’re on salicylate medication (warfarin, aspirin etc) - and, because hubby is talking to me as I type, I’m sure I’ve forgotten some others. 

-Secondly, from the consumer info it seems that this mix of hormones will only work on live pregnancies - it’s too early for movement, but if the pregnancy wasn’t viable but hasn’t miscarried (which happens), this won’t help.

-Thirdly, it’s massively painful because the mix of hormones causes the uterus lining, placenta and foetus to tear apart from the mother - the meds interfere with body’s processes to control the contractions and her pain. This is also why so many medical terminations are incomplete and also lead to complications & infections. 

There’s more to read but if you’re limiting a surgeon’s ability to help a woman surgically terminate a pregnancy (for all kinds of necessary reasons), then what case can be maintained for modern procedures in which endometrium scrapes are performed for PCOS management, cyst and polyp control, peri- and menopausal management, etc?? Let alone ectopic pregnancies etc?  Gossipy, judgemental, uninformed people will decide all sorts of nasty goings-on just for hits on social media.  tongue wink


The nominees for Supreme Court Justice lied under oath that Roe v. Wade was a settled law. They should be impeached for lying under oath. I don’t understand why ordinary people are prosecuted for lying under oath but a supreme court judge who lies under oath continues to be a judge. This is wrong on so many levels. 70% of the country wants this law to remain. This will get people riled up like we haven’t seen since the’60’s.


Would be ironic if this leak helps Dems take both happens and that impeachment goes forward.


The next frontier for the antiabortion movement: A nationwide ban (WaPo)

"Leading antiabortion groups and their allies in Congress have been meeting behind the scenes to plan a national strategy that would kick in if the Supreme Court rolls back abortion rights this summer, including a push for a strict nationwide ban on the procedure if Republicans retake power in Washington."


I’ve read several articles discussing the very real prospect of banning travel in case of seeking surgical (or even medical) terminations - even advice & counselling. To any destination. 
So now free individual travel, which is an individual right, will be restricted?! And will transit hub personnel identify such early-pregnant women?-Make them walk thru an ultrasound scanner??  WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY???


A friend who is a law professor tweets:


joanne said:

I’ve read several articles discussing the very real prospect of banning travel in case of seeking surgical (or even medical) terminations - even advice & counselling. To any destination. 
So now free individual travel, which is an individual right, will be restricted?! And will transit hub personnel identify such early-pregnant women?-Make them walk thru an ultrasound scanner??  WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY???

The Constitution says nothing about privacy. That'll be gone soon too.

Banning travel is pretty extreme, but then so is this SCOTUS. I take no bets.


DaveSchmidt said:

A friend who is a law professor tweets:

talk of perjury or lying to Congress by the nominees is a big stretch and will go nowhere. I wish they'd stop that line of argument.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-travel-wave-of-restrictions

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-04/supreme-court-abortion-ruling/101035826 
yep, does agree with and points to so much that can also disappear

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-61313598 Biden on the right to privacy    And there’s more, all round, as several posters have already indicated as US Mail is invasively ‘checked’ etc. International media is full of the implications. 

drummerboy said:

The Constitution says nothing about privacy. That'll be gone soon too.

Banning travel is pretty extreme, but then so is this SCOTUS. I take no bets.


I admire the optimism required to plan for meaningful hearings on Democratic judicial nominees but the cynic in me sincerely doubts that this will be a problem after January 2023.

Biden, the Democrats and our two infamous DINOs had an opportunity to save the American system of government but, at this point, that opportunity is long gone. Barring a miracle, 2022 will be the last free election in American history. Folks, anyone who thinks differently just hasn’t been paying attention.


While running for president in 2007, Barack Obama declared, "The first thing I'd do, as president, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," which would have codified the right to abortions. But in April 2009, President Obama said passage of the act was "not the highest priority."
Millie Sherill.


Jaytee said:

While running for president in 2007, Barack Obama declared, "The first thing I'd do, as president, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," which would have codified the right to abortions. But in April 2009, President Obama said passage of the act was "not the highest priority."
Millie Sherill.

to be fair, he had to deal with the biggest financial crisis since the depression as he came into office.


I've posted this before, but I thought this is a good time for a reminder. Best explanation of the abortion issue I've ever seen.


joanne said:

I’ve read several articles discussing the very real prospect of banning travel in case of seeking surgical (or even medical) terminations - even advice & counselling. To any destination. 
So now free individual travel, which is an individual right, will be restricted?! And will transit hub personnel identify such early-pregnant women?-Make them walk thru an ultrasound scanner??  WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY???

What right to privacy? We have medical record privacy as mandated by HIPAA. But anything else you're on your own.

Also, data brokers often can get your medical information which you think is HIPAA protected.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-data-brokers

;t

drummerboy said:

I've posted this before, but I thought this is a good time for a reminder. Best explanation of the abortion issue I've ever seen.

That was probably the most depressing--although absolutely correct--description of sex and pregnancy, and what I agree with, but not so eloquently. If we are thrust back into state-mandated laws on abortion, can any one state pass a law requiring men to use contraception or be subject to criminal penalty? Haha! Never going to happen. Men are in charge... 


I found this thought-provoking:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/07/enforced-childbirth-is-slavery-margaret-atwood-on-the-right-to-abortion 
Also, early yesterday my time, I read a short abstract that indicated a couple of States are now contemplating preparing draft legislation making terminations ‘murder’. Where would that leave a woman who miscarries, or is involved in some unforeseen situation that results in miscarriage?? (I must try to find that article for you)


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