Sarah and the Red Hen
Klinker said:
Personally, I would have given her a talking to until she left of her own accord
Oh, that would be good. Don't refuse her service, have the wait staff take her order and prepare it, etc, but all the while stand next to her and explain, over and over, how her actions and the actions of the administration she is representing are deplorable.
Tweet from NYT tv critic @Poniewozik: "The Red Hen should have just taken Sarah Sanders' order, then spent an hour saying, 'We'll get back to you on that'."
LOST said:
I've been reading this thread trying to come up with a play on the saying about have your cake and eating it,
Can you support one person not having the right to a cake and another having cake wherever she wishes?
Yes. All depends on the cake.
DaveSchmidt said:
ml1 said:Isn’t that the rationale behind the Colorado cake baker’s and the Arizona Walgreens pharmacist’s refusals? What distinguishes your stand from theirs?
if I owned a business, I surely would turn away human piece of excrement Stephen Miller. Sanders is more borderline.
We all have to go with our conscience in these issues.
(I ask because I’m interested in how you see it, not because I want to make my own points.)
There is no law that prevents a business owner from not serving someone they think is an a@@hole. However, they can't refuse service based on race, color, religion, or national origin. The gay couple in Colorado filed a complaint against the baker because the baker used religion as an excuse.
librarylady said:
And then SHS used her official White House Twitter account to blast this restaurant. Followed by millions of people ,she put the restaurant at risk of being attacked both online and perhaps in real life. This was a violation of all ethics laws and she probably knew it but it was so much better for her to use that her own personal Twitter. And we, the American taxpayer, pay for it
There's a good indication of what kind of person she is.
it's disingenuous for anyone to suggest that Sanders was refused service because she's a Republican or because someone disagrees with her. She was denied service because she is a lying propagandist working in support of brutally racist policies. She's a pariah in many places in our country. And she's earned it.
It sets an interesting precedent. SHS is a liar. She's the press secretary. That's the job. This is literally what they all do.
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
terp said:
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
if someone claimed that as a reason for refusing service to Carney I would not have objected to it.
But considering the typical Obama opponent, the rationale would have been more likely that the person objected to Carney working for "a Kenyan Muslim socialist."
terp said:
It sets an interesting precedent. SHS is a liar. She's the press secretary. That's the job. This is literally what they all do.
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
Assuming the owner of the Red Hen objected to this policy and Carney sat down at a table in the Red Hen, she might have asked Carney to leave, but would have not asked other customers who agreed with this policy to leave.
The owner of the Red Hen said that they have regular customers who share Trump's beliefs and policies and they are welcome to eat in her restaurant. She asked Sanders to leave because she worked in the service of an "inhumane and unethical" administration. That she publicly defended the president's cruelest policies.
terp said:
It sets an interesting precedent. SHS is a liar. She's the press secretary. That's the job. This is literally what they all do.
She wasn’t asked to leave because she’s a liar. She was asked to leave because she works for Trump.
ml1 said:
terp said:if someone claimed that as a reason for refusing service to Carney I would not have objected to it.
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
But considering the typical Obama opponent, the rationale would have been more likely that the person objected to Carney working for "a Kenyan Muslim socialist."
Typical, or the one's you choose to focus on?
terp said:
ml1 said:Typical, or the one's you choose to focus on?
terp said:if someone claimed that as a reason for refusing service to Carney I would not have objected to it.
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
But considering the typical Obama opponent, the rationale would have been more likely that the person objected to Carney working for "a Kenyan Muslim socialist."
The ones who would have been angry enough to ban a press secretary from a restaurant.
ml1 said:
terp said:The ones who would have been angry enough to ban a press secretary from a restaurant.
ml1 said:Typical, or the one's you choose to focus on?
terp said:if someone claimed that as a reason for refusing service to Carney I would not have objected to it.
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
But considering the typical Obama opponent, the rationale would have been more likely that the person objected to Carney working for "a Kenyan Muslim socialist."
Let's say some crazy anti-war libertarian owned a restaurant and took issue with Jay Carney's presence and politely asked him and his party to leave. Even if this was for the drone bombing, or blowing up Libya, or for supporting Jihadists in Syria, or what have you.
This place would have been apoplectic. It would have been said that the FP this person took issue with was just an excuse and it's really because Obama is "a Kenyan Muslim socialist" then we'd start digging up dirt on this person. There is very little doubt in my mind.
yes. It's clear you think this board is filled with nothing but hypocrites. Aside from yourself of course.
Speaking for myself, I'd have had respect for anyone with a well-articulated, well- reasoned, principled anti-war rationale for opposing Obama and holding his aides accountable.
turns out something similar happened to Joe Biden in 2012. And it didn't even register a blip on the left. I wasn't even aware it happened. Because Joe isn't the snowflake that Sarah is I suppose.
A bakery turned down a visit from Biden based on their objections to stuff Obama had said. And their reasoning was somewhat dubious to day the lea.
ml1 said:
turns out something similar happened to Joe Biden in 2012. And it didn't even register a blip on the left. I wasn't even aware it happened. Because Joe isn't the snowflake that Sarah is I suppose.
A bakery turned down a visit from Biden based on their objections to stuff Obama had said. And their reasoning was somewhat dubious to day the lea.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/244053-bakery-receives-bump-from-rnc-after-turning-down-biden-visit-?amp#click=https://t.co/7ttz4U0sgu
That isn't the same thing at all.
I think there's a difference between explaining the basis for a policy (which some people may disagree with) and not being truthful about the facts in order to deflect criticism of a policy.
RobB said:
She wasn’t asked to leave because she’s a liar. She was asked to leave because she works for Trump.
A distinction without a difference.
terp said:
It sets an interesting precedent. SHS is a liar. She's the press secretary. That's the job. This is literally what they all do.
Was Jay Carney forthright about the Obama administrations preferred method of separating families(through regular and persistent drone bombings)? IIRC, he wasn't.
What about......
terp said:There is very little doubt in my mind.
That fact is probably a lot more significant to you than it is to the rest of us.
terp said:
ml1 said:That isn't the same thing at all.
turns out something similar happened to Joe Biden in 2012. And it didn't even register a blip on the left. I wasn't even aware it happened. Because Joe isn't the snowflake that Sarah is I suppose.
A bakery turned down a visit from Biden based on their objections to stuff Obama had said. And their reasoning was somewhat dubious to day the lea.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/244053-bakery-receives-bump-from-rnc-after-turning-down-biden-visit-?amp#click=https://t.co/7ttz4U0sgu
not the same. Similar.
There is a big difference between deciding not to hold a political event at your place of business and kicking out a paying customer who is already there. They're not very similar at all.
terp said:
There is a big difference between deciding not to hold a political event at your place of business and kicking out a paying customer who is already there. They're not very similar at all.
So, if Hitler, Stalin and Jeffery Dahlmer walk into your cafe with the guy who raped your Mom, do you serve them? I mean, surely there is some upper limit on the level of deplorability that you will tolerate, right?
Meanwhile, allow me to introduce the de facto Chair of the Committee to re-elect Donald Trump, the very helpful Maxine Waters...
apple44 said:
Worse, Trumpies are placing similarly negative reviews for (and making threats to) other restaurants and cafes named Red Hen which have no connection to the one in VA. One is in Swedesboro, NJ.
This is because they are idiots.
"The Red Hen Restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors and windows (badly needs a paint job) rather than refusing to serve a fine person like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I always had a rule, if a restaurant is dirty on the outside, it is dirty on the inside!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011212766487728133
2018 Health Code Violations:
Mar-a-Lago 15
Red Hen 0
Donald Trump's Las Vegas restaurant shut-down by health code inspectors:
cramer said:
"The Red Hen Restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors and windows (badly needs a paint job) rather than refusing to serve a fine person like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I always had a rule, if a restaurant is dirty on the outside, it is dirty on the inside!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011212766487728133
2018 Health Code Violations:
Mar-a-Lago 15
Red Hen 0
Donald Trump's Las Vegas restaurant shut-down by health code inspectors:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234282/Trump-Hotel-Las-Vegas-Donalds-restaurant-shut-health-inspectors.html
Also, I am pretty sure feeding swine in the same dining room as customers is a health code violation.
I'm not not a fan of SHS. However, I think she and her party should have been left to dine in peace.
Now I'm not a fan of The Red Hen.
Personally, I would have given her a talking to until she left of her own accord (I mean, is it possible that she doesn't know that lying every time you open your mouth is unethical).
That said, what is good for the goose is good for the gander and the red hen. These people fought passionately for their right to refuse service to people based on the way they were born, how can they now claim that we can't refuse service to folks based on the things that they have consciously decided to do?