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marksierra
Discussion: Inconsequential Chat

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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DaveSchmidt
Discussion: Love the Train Station Mural Replacements

An insultingly slapdash sampling by a lousy photographer.

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Morganna
Discussion: 2020 - Candidates

nan said:

 If Warren can't beat Trump, and I'm not sure she can, then woman's choice is down the drain.  You can scream and scream and voter shame and voter shame, but if a person is working two jobs and they have to stress out to figure out how to get to the polls, they might not put that last push in if they are not excited about the candidate.  They are excited about Bernie.  They trust him to be on their side.  Warren looks like Hillary and sounds like Obama, who promised hope and change and then let Citigroup pick out his cabinet. 

 I'll repeat what I said above in case you missed it. I have no interest in screaming about this topic. I did scream earlier on FB when I read about a poor sick old elephant who died, after posing for selfies at some bloody carnival. That makes me scream. That makes me want to shame each and every person involved.

But voter shaming? Nah. I'm making a point that I think you are warning us that these voters will stay home if not excited by a candidate and I'm saying, in dulcet tones that they would be hurting themselves. No spite here just saying I don't see that they would. Here is what I said, softly, in a slightly high pitch, kind of like Daisy Duck with a cold and a NY accent.


Morganna

Sep 18, 2019 at 10:06am

nan said:

Voter shaming is not a good strategy. People stayed home in 2016 and unless they are motivated they will stay home in 2020. Give them something to get off the couch for. I doubt Warren is get off the couch exciting, but maybe I'm wrong and they won't think she is Hillary 2.0.

Voter shaming? You are constantly warning us that f Bernie doesn't get the nomination people will stay home, like an ominous prediction. I am suggesting that the people you describe as the young voter and the poor voter would be acting against their own interest if they were not excited enough to "get off the couch. They would be risking the overturn of Roe v Wade which would leave that very group with no options. And a couple of young SCOTUS picks will seal the deal for decades.

That's not shaming that's observation. Affluent voters will always have travel options. Older voters will not be affected for obvious reasons.

The voter who can afford to stay home is the one with nothing to lose. Considering the state of the current political scene, I don't know who that is.

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Smedley
Discussion: 2020 - Candidates

nan said:

Morganna said:

 So the young and the poor have no interest in women's choice.  Maybe we should collect those emails so the right to life crowd can send them their thanks. Now that Planned Parenthood has been defunded, which will effect much of the under 30 crowd, according to statistics, and definitely hurt poor women,  staying on the couch will hurt them more than the crowd you often describe as the affluent intellectuals who support Warren.

But hard to believe people will stay home because the rest of us did not support Bernie. 

 Voter shaming is not a good strategy. People stayed home in 2016 and unless they are motivated they will stay home in 2020. Give them something to get off the couch for.  I doubt Warren is get off the couch exciting, but maybe I'm wrong and they won't think she is Hillary 2.0. 

Voting trump out of office is get off the couch exciting. No Che Guevara revolution needed.

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Morganna
Discussion: 2020 - Candidates

nan said:

 Voter shaming is not a good strategy. People stayed home in 2016 and unless they are motivated they will stay home in 2020. Give them something to get off the couch for.  I doubt Warren is get off the couch exciting, but maybe I'm wrong and they won't think she is Hillary 2.0. 

 Voter shaming?  You are constantly warning us that f Bernie doesn't get the nomination people will stay home, like an ominous prediction. I am suggesting that the people you describe as the young voter and the poor voter would be acting against their own interest if they were not excited enough to "get off the couch. They would be risking the overturn of Roe v Wade which would leave that very group with no options. And a couple of young SCOTUS picks will seal the deal for decades. 

That's not shaming that's observation. Affluent voters will always have travel options. Older voters will not be affected for obvious reasons.

The voter who can afford to stay home is the one with nothing to lose. Considering the state of the current political scene, I don't know who that is.

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STANV
Discussion: 2020 - Candidates

Morganna said:

 No, please don't. We need a variety of voices. Its easy to step on each other's fingers, (trying to be clever here, fingers instead of toes, a keyboard reference.)

We just need another active political thread to bounce into when we get stuck in an argument that's going nowhere. Then its easy to bounce back in when everyone has had a time out.

Lots going on for an alternative thread.  Kavanaugh could turn out to be a few days worth of headlines. I know you are not a fan of Klobuchar, but she was pretty good during the hearings and she has pounced on the new accusation.

 You are a wonderful person. :x

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Smedley
Discussion: 2020 - Candidates

Klinker said:

Morganna said:

I just tuned in again and I'm so confused. Its starting to sound like "I know you are but what am I?"

 Its starting to sound to me like this thread just isn't worth it. So little wheat and so much chaff. Slowly, thread by thread, I am quitting this forum.  So sick of the same old blather.

 It’s not always pretty around here, but overall this thread is beautiful imo, in terms of a lot of different people who care about politics (and by extension, presumably the direction of our country), getting together to mix it up. 

I will say for someone “sick of the same old blather”, you are one of the more repetitive posters. If I had to drink every time I’ve read “great uncle grabby”, I’d be under the table by now. (Also “Bernie the millionaire”).


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Morganna
Discussion: The Uncaged Bird - Hummingbird migration leave your feeders up.

Saw this picture posted on FB of an unusual owl. How cute is this guy. He's a spot bellied eagle owl.

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PVW
Discussion: 2020 - Candidates

RealityForAll said:

PVW said:

nan said:

I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11. NEVER!!!!! However, even if I did,

 When you have to follow up "I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" with "even if I did", you have a problem.

 Right.  

Alternatives:

1.  If nan does not respond then she is a racist.

2.  If nan states  that she "DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" then she is a racist.

Do you see a problem with your analysis?

The "even if I did" here suggests that there is some scenario where it is acceptable to suggest that "the Jews were behind 9/11."

There is not.

There is no combination of words that can follow the "even if I did" that ends well.

I generally argue in favor of more nuance, but 9/11 trutherism is a topic I'm completely comfortable making a blanket statement on -- any position short of "9/11 wast not an inside job, and neither Israel, nor "the Jews" were involved," is completely unacceptable. And I have absolutely zero interest in engaging with people who feel differently about this.

And that's already more time than this nonsense deserves. Any other posts I make on this thread I'll keep to the topic of the 2020 candidates.

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mrincredible
Discussion: Horribly Out of Context Quotes from MOLers

Reviving this thread. There's not enough silliness on MOL anymore.


nan
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Why would you sand the bottom?

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