Trump's response to the Covid-19
nohero said:
And because our president is a jerk, he calls it the "Chinese Virus".
Saw Tucker Carlson tonight adamantly insist that it is the "Chinese Virus." He went into rant about the Chinese trying to blame it on Americans. I couldn't follow it. He climaxed with his disbelief that the US buys medical supplies from China who he claims is threatening to deny medicines to sick Americans. He said he was shocked that we buy from them.
An idea was floated by a guest that the Chinese cancel some of our debt because its their fault that our economy is tanking. Imagine if the Chinese decided to call in our entire debt. Not that Trump would pay it.
Next Carlson raised questions about new policies regarding restrictions on Americans and seemed stunned when his next guest Dr. Siegel came out full tilt boogie, in favor of taking all precautions seriously with warnings of how bad this is going to be. Didn't seem like the answer he was expecting. Worth watching it for his reaction.
ml1 said:
mrincredible said:
I just tuned in to his conference for about 30 seconds. All I needed to hear him say was that outbreak was a total surprise. That we heard about some cases in China and suddenly it was here.
I also dip my toe ever-so-slightly into the world of Twitter. It seems that the new conservative take on this is that it's the Democrats fault because the word is e impeaching Trump while the outbreak was happening.
"no one could have foreseen" is the lying Republican response when something that was actually foreseeable blows up in our faces. We should start a list of the "no one could have foreseen" stuff that was eminently predictable:
- 9/11
- That Iraq did not have WMD
- That the Iraq war would be a debacle
- that New Orleans levees could be breached
- a pandemic
His transition team literally went through this exact scenario seven days before inauguration. Unfortunately, that transition team has either left, bee fired, or are in jail.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797
Smedley said:
you misquote me, which is no surprise. I said Friday’s presser was excellent, and I stand by that opinion — google site, student loan interest and swine flu references aside. I didn’t say “Trump’s press conferences are excellent”. So there’s that.
I saw a good chunk of today’s, not all of it. it was decent overall I thought. Standard stuff. Yeah yeah trump’s 10/10 self-rating was ridiculous and he’ll never admit wrong, but whatever, that’s not exactly a newsflash. I tuned in to get some information and hopefully some confidence that our govt is moving in the right direction on this, and I got both. The tone was realistic, he handled himself at least halfway presidentially and there wasn’t too much bombastic bs, which I don’t really pay attention to anymore anyway. He is who he is.
Your standard for "excellence" is pretty darn low.
ml1 said:
"no one could have foreseen" is the lying Republican response when something that was actually foreseeable blows up in our faces. We should start a list of the "no one could have foreseen" stuff that was eminently predictable:
- 9/11
- That Iraq did not have WMD
- That the Iraq war would be a debacle
- that New Orleans levees could be breached
- a pandemic
What were the Democrats doing prior to these events?
Morganna said:
Saw Tucker Carlson tonight adamantly insist that it is the "Chinese Virus." He went into rant about the Chinese trying to blame it on Americans. I couldn't follow it. He climaxed with his disbelief that the US buys medical supplies from China who he claims is threatening to deny medicines to sick Americans. He said he was shocked that we buy from them.
An idea was floated by a guest that the Chinese cancel some of our debt because its their fault that our economy is tanking. Imagine if the Chinese decided to call in our entire debt. Not that Trump would pay it.
Next Carlson raised questions about new policies regarding restrictions on Americans and seemed stunned when his next guest Dr. Siegel came out full tilt boogie, in favor of taking all precautions seriously with warnings of how bad this is going to be. Didn't seem like the answer he was expecting. Worth watching it for his reaction.
Yet, Fox News his employer is taking precautions, work at home, etc. As I'm sure he is also. He's appealing to the base instincts of his low information base.
Yes, we can cancel some Chinese debt, even though the constitution says we should honor our debt. And what happens next time we need a banker to buy our debt? To give loan us money via Treasury bonds? We're a debtor nation.
Who manufactures the disposable syringes we use for vaccine shots or those little disposable plastic eyedrop bottles? China? Imagine, if China with their crippled industrial production told us they can't supply us syringes or eye medicine bottles. You need a flu shot? Sorry, we may have the flu medicine but we don't have any syringes. Your child needs his pediatric shot? Sorry. Glaucoma drops? You may have to wait until we ramp up production of those old style glass bottles with eye droppers.
Should there be a world wide shortage we may find China prioritizing deliveries to regions that don't insult them, like the EU.
lord_pabulum said:
ml1 said:
"no one could have foreseen" is the lying Republican response when something that was actually foreseeable blows up in our faces. We should start a list of the "no one could have foreseen" stuff that was eminently predictable:
- 9/11
- That Iraq did not have WMD
- That the Iraq war would be a debacle
- that New Orleans levees could be breached
- a pandemic
What were the Democrats doing prior to these events?
I don't know the party affiliation of all the people who raised the possibilities of those events. I know the party affiliation of the people who said they never heard of such possibilities though.
About Trump's press conference yesterday.
Official transcript: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-3/
When he was asked about how it was taking the Covid-19 test, his answer was so vague and non-specific, that he's obviously lying about being swabbed for the test.
I guess it's a good thing that Trump is proposing an economic stimulus bill in response. It has aid packages for the airlines and other businesses that are being hit hard right now. But its centerpiece is a payroll tax cut. How is that going to help people who aren't working? It feels like we're in a plane and nobody on board knows how to land it.
ml1 said:
I guess it's a good thing that Trump is proposing an economic stimulus bill in response. It has aid packages for the airlines and other businesses that are being hit hard right now.
Any airline bailout ought to include a passenger's Bill of Rights. That industry has been out of control for years.
lord_pabulum said:
What were the Democrats doing prior to these events?
The better question is: Who throw up their hands and say, “No one could have foreseen,” and who say, “We should have done better, and we’re going to do X, Y and Z to try not to make the same mistake again”?
They would indeed be better questions but I had to simplify due to the poster's comment.
Ohio's governor ignored a court order to open the polls. Precedent is being set for the November elections.
Gov. Mike DeWine ignored a court ruling and said the state’s health
director was closing the polls on Tuesday based on worries that the
coronavirus placed voters and poll workers in potential danger.
Ohio’s governor on Monday night said he and top state health officials would ignore a court ruling and postpone Ohio’s presidential primary by declaring a public health emergency because of the coronavirus outbreak.
The governor, Mike DeWine, said that the state’s health director, Dr. Amy Acton, had issued the order based on concerns that the coronavirus outbreak placed both voters and poll workers in potential danger.
His announcement came just hours after Judge Richard A. Frye of the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas rejected the state’s request to push back voting to June 2.
Are they setting up precedent for the November's elections?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/politics/virus-primary-2020-ohio.html
BG9 said:
Ohio's governor ignored a court order to open the polls. Precedent is being set for the November elections.
Gov. Mike DeWine ignored a court ruling and said the state’s health
director was closing the polls on Tuesday based on worries that the
coronavirus placed voters and poll workers in potential danger.Ohio’s governor on Monday night said he and top state health officials would ignore a court ruling and postpone Ohio’s presidential primary by declaring a public health emergency because of the coronavirus outbreak.The governor, Mike DeWine, said that the state’s health director, Dr. Amy Acton, had issued the order based on concerns that the coronavirus outbreak placed both voters and poll workers in potential danger.His announcement came just hours after Judge Richard A. Frye of the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas rejected the state’s request to push back voting to June 2.Are they setting up precedent for the November's elections?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/politics/virus-primary-2020-ohio.html
Trump can't lose if you don't hold elections.
Postponing a Primary whose purpose is to pick Delegates to a Convention in July is no big deal. Our Primary is not until June 2nd.
However the correct response to the current emergency is for every State to go to mail-in ballots for all the Primaries and the General Election. In fact Congress has the Constitutional Authority to do it. But McConnell would probably block it.
What a difference a week makes. So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
At today’s presser he affirmed - against all evidence - that he’s taken from his thing seriously from the start.
Well, to him, "the start" is not January when he first got the warning (or before?), it's about 5 days ago.
If they want to spend that much on every American, maybe, I don't know, COVID-19 testing?
I’ve always known this is a real — this is a pandemic," Trump said. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
GL2 said:
I’ve always known this is a real — this is a pandemic," Trump said. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
No one knows more about pandemics than he does
Listening to Mnuchin. He's actually sounding very reasonable and making sense. (Didn't he used to be a Dem?)
Though I still think he's an alien with an ill-fitting human suit.
drummerboy said:
Listening to Mnuchin. He's actually sounding very reasonable and making sense. (Didn't he used to be a Dem?)
Though I still think he's an alien with an ill-fitting human suit.
Anyway. Hope this is the thread for gallows humor, because other than gin, it's all I got.
ridski said:
Anyway. Hope this is the thread for gallows humor, because other than gin, it's all I got.
We're all just screennames, so I've just kind of been assuming that's how all of you dress in real life. Was I mistaken?
you misquote me, which is no surprise. I said Friday’s presser was excellent, and I stand by that opinion — google site, student loan interest and swine flu references aside. I didn’t say “Trump’s press conferences are excellent”. So there’s that.
I saw a good chunk of today’s, not all of it. it was decent overall I thought. Standard stuff. Yeah yeah trump’s 10/10 self-rating was ridiculous and he’ll never admit wrong, but whatever, that’s not exactly a newsflash. I tuned in to get some information and hopefully some confidence that our govt is moving in the right direction on this, and I got both. The tone was realistic, he handled himself at least halfway presidentially and there wasn’t too much bombastic bs, which I don’t really pay attention to anymore anyway. He is who he is.