Trump's response to the Covid-19
nohero said:
You're supposed to agree that it sounds familiar on a superficial level.
I guess I would agree to that. It sounds familiar if you don't use your brain and think about it.
hard to believe anyone really thinks that the current federal response to COVID-19 hasn't been inept on a level we haven't seen in the past.
Meanwhile, Uganda, Congo, Tanzania and Kenya have decided to ban people from coming in from European shithole countries.
ml1 said:
hard to believe anyone really thinks that the current federal response to COVID-19 hasn't been inept on a level we haven't seen in the past.
I agree with that. Government ineptness is nothing new.
lord_pabulum said:
I agree with that. Government ineptness is nothing new.
how many Ebola cases did we have in the U.S.?
lord_pabulum said:
I agree with that. Government ineptness is nothing new.
The current administration is taking it to new levels.
lord_pabulum said:
ml1 said:
hard to believe anyone really thinks that the current federal response to COVID-19 hasn't been inept on a level we haven't seen in the past.
I agree with that. Government ineptness is nothing new.
You seem to be suggesting that there's no differences worth noting amongst government approaches. Let's check back in six months and see how well this belief aligns with actual results. I suspect the US will end up faring much more poorly than countries like S. Korea. Possibly competent leadership at the state and local level will mitigate this to some extent.
we cannot know for sure, but it's logical to believe that containment of the virus could have been a lot better if Trump and other administration surrogates like Kudlow weren't making public statements that the virus was contained. How many people didn't take precautions because they believed there was no risk, based on Trump Admin public statements?
How about re-reading my post and explain why the specific ideas I point out are different than current events?
lord_pabulum said:
How about re-reading my post and explain why the specific ideas I point out are different than current events?
So I re-read it.
Dr. Fauci is saying things similar to what he said about Ebola. But this thread is not about Dr. Fauci's response. It's about Trump's response.
If you want to discuss how the Medical Professionals are handling this situation that discussion belongs in the thread about the Virus in the "Science and Technology" category, not "Soapbox-Politics".
Very impressive collaboration described in the national emergency public address this afternoon! Target, Roche, CVS, Walmart, testing companies, medical device providers, etc etc all onboard to bring action to the crises, overriding antiquated regulations in effect for decades.
A doctor noted that she had been at the 1981 start of AIDS and recalled it took 11 years to come up with drugs to fight it.
Don’t know how others will interpret these actions, but, for one, I feel encouraged by what I saw and heard.
mtierney said:
Very impressive collaboration described in the national emergency public address this afternoon! Target, Roche, CVS, Walmart, testing companies, medical device providers, etc etc all onboard to bring action to the crises, overriding antiquated regulations in effect for decades.
A doctor noted that she had been at the 1981 start of AIDS and recalled it took 11 years to come up with drugs to fight it.
Don’t know how others will interpret these actions, but, for one, I feel encouraged by what I saw and heard.
Bless your heart.
mtierney said:
Very impressive collaboration described in the national emergency public address this afternoon! Target, Roche, CVS, Walmart, testing companies, medical device providers, etc etc all onboard to bring action to the crises, overriding antiquated regulations in effect for decades.
A doctor noted that she had been at the 1981 start of AIDS and recalled it took 11 years to come up with drugs to fight it.
Don’t know how others will interpret these actions, but, for one, I feel encouraged by what I saw and heard.
after all these years, haven't we all learned that the words coming out of Trump's head are meaningless? Who knows how much of what he said is actually true? I'll wait until stuff starts actually happening to decide whether these pronouncements are encouraging.
STANV said:
Now, this is relevant.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/coronavirus-emergency-declaration-trump-128530
is it wrong of me to be suspicious that a big chunk of the $50bn will go to self-dealing and cronies?
As I said on the other thread, in my view this has been an excellent press conference all around. A little of the usual dumb bombastic stuff, and of course no acknowledgment of anything done wrong previously, but overall very good. If only the WH response had been like this the whole time covid has been a thing.
ml1 said:
is it wrong of me to be suspicious that a big chunk of the $50bn will go to self-dealing and cronies?
No. You always have to be suspicious. In fact it's good to be suspicious of any politicians with regard to large amounts of money but it's wise to be especially suspicious of this crowd.
ml1 said:
is it wrong of me to be suspicious that a big chunk of the $50bn will go to self-dealing and cronies?
The recipients were standing right behind him. They probably had to commit to kicking back 10% on Trump properties. That's why all meetings on this crisis are now treated as confidential meetings. Anyone that beliefs Trump will ever do something that does not benefit himself is a fool.
Smedley said:
As I said on the other thread, in my view this has been an excellent press conference all around. A little of the usual dumb bombastic stuff, and of course no acknowledgment of anything done wrong previously, but overall very good. If only the WH response had been like this the whole time covid has been a thing.
Are you serious? "We did a fantastic job because we took action so early"? Vietnam has tested more people than the US. Not in relative terms, but in absolute numbers.
To summarize
"Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it." — Trump, 7/21/2016
“I don’t take responsibility at all.” — Trump, 7/13/2020
basil said:
Are you serious? "We did a fantastic job because we took action so early"? Vietnam has tested more people than the US. Not in relative terms, but in absolute numbers.
South Korea tested more people yesterday than the U.S. has tested in total since the beginning of this outbreak.
this is disconcerting
International arrivals in O'Hare. This is what happens when you try to spin #COVID19 #coronavirus as a foreign threat and implement insane travel restrictions, instead of acknowledging community spread and targeting there. A perfect storm for creating massive case clusters. https://t.co/Tq2Q5W9zKT
drummerboy said:
this is disconcerting
but make sure to stay 6 feet from the next person
I think at this points Democrats should:
- Work very hard to hold the administration accountable for its actions without political grandstanding
- Take copious notes and document all the mismanagement and stupid stuff for later when (hopefully) we're past the crisis
It's a fine line to walk, but it's important to try and neutralize the accusations of "weaponizing" the outbreak while it's an ongoing problem.
Note the date on this tweet
When the next pandemic occurs (and make no mistake, it will) and the federal government is unable to respond in a coordinated and effective fashion to protect the lives of US citizens and others, this decision by John Bolton and Donald Trump will be why. https://t.co/iMSzopSRaI
Here's an article about the Trjmp administration effort to get a German company to move its vaccine research to the US. It doesn't seem to be in question that the administration offered them money to move. It does seem to be in question that Trump wants the vaccine for the "the US only." That claim is from a unnamed official.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa-idUSKBN2120IV
This effort certainly plays to Trump's base and message of "America First."
Anyway, I've seen comments making it sound like Trump himself was trying to get the rights to the vaccine. That would be a much more diabolical scheme, but it doesn't seem like that's what happened.
hmmm. I think some investigative reporting is in order.
(dammit. embed didn't work)
A company owned by Jared K's brother just opened a COVID testing facility.
https://twitter.com/amandablount2/status/1239024690989019136
I would not be shocked if he resigned in the midst of all this. Surprised yea, but not utterly shocked.
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You're supposed to agree that it sounds familiar on a superficial level.