Trump coming to Wildwood on Jan 28

joanne said:

Re the driver testing: I’m truly surprised at the differences that I learn between your system and what I hear from my friends elsewhere around the world. Especially since we know that ‘common sense’ is not ‘common’ nor ‘usual’, and is frequently open to interpretation under stressful situations. In careful designed defensive driving courses, situations such as uncontrolled intersections (where they are usually controlled) should be covered. The information usually begins with ensuring all road conditions are safe, seeking the source of danger, watching for a police officer controlling traffic, and moving on through scenarios from there. I’m sure your federal driving code will have information. Perhaps your national auto club can help you find it? 

This Connecticut insurance company has advice: https://www.doughertyinsurance.com/2012/11/01/traffic-lights-not-working-what-do-you-do/

And this drivers ed site had clear, easy advice but you need to scroll down. You can contact them for a NJ refresher session on the topic.

https://driversed.com/driving-information/signs-signals-and-markings/traffic-signals.aspx

Neither, the CT insurance company wesbsite linked above nor the driversed.com website (despite its government/official sounding website name) are government websites.  Both websites give what appears to be their version of "common sense" if power goes out for a particular traffic light (AKA usual controls not functioning or "UCNF").  Their version of unofficial common sense is to treat that particular traffic signal as a stop sign.  Neither site provides NJ refresher courses as they are not government sites nor licensed in driver instruction.

However, the question presented is instead what to do when a traffic light remains red and does not turn green.  Similar situation but different (than the answer provided at the two sites linked above).  For example, I would have a different level of caution if the traffic light which stays red is on a busier road than the other road controlled by the same traffic light.


I phrased my search question incorrectly, asking instead what one should do if the traffic lights weren’t working. 
I’ll continue after the UK has left the EU; currently, my eyes refuse to stay open as our time is approaching 1a.m. Please forgive me. 


mtierney said:

ridski said:

 You’ll no doubt be happy that she doesn’t live here anymore.

 A Maplewoodian for 47 years counts for nothing?

 As I was responding to Red Barchetta saying this about you - "the fact that disgraceful people like you can and do live in THIS community" - then I think my statement holds up.


Firstly, or maybe secondly, sometimes who is on third is the question ...


joanne said:

I phrased my search question incorrectly, asking instead what one should do if the traffic lights weren’t working. 
I’ll continue after the UK has left the EU; currently, my eyes refuse to stay open as our time is approaching 1a.m. Please forgive me. 

 Thanks!!!


RealityForAll said:

joanne said:

I phrased my search question incorrectly, asking instead what one should do if the traffic lights weren’t working. 
I’ll continue after the UK has left the EU; currently, my eyes refuse to stay open as our time is approaching 1a.m. Please forgive me. 

 Thanks!!!

 Good morning!

After enjoying my small serve of Ice-cream for Breakfast and a short walk, I read the New Jersey drivers’ manual, which is contradictory. You have Nikhil’s Pledge from 2016 (‘I will never go through a red light’) on p.34, and then in the section on Intersections (controlled and uncontrolled) it’s written very clearly on p.70 that a malfunctioning traffic light is to be treated as a 4-way stop signal (NJSA39:4-81).

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/license/drivermanual.pdf


joanne said:

RealityForAll said:

joanne said:

I phrased my search question incorrectly, asking instead what one should do if the traffic lights weren’t working. 
I’ll continue after the UK has left the EU; currently, my eyes refuse to stay open as our time is approaching 1a.m. Please forgive me. 

 Thanks!!!

 Good morning!

After enjoying my small serve of Ice-cream for Breakfast and a short walk, I read the New Jersey drivers’ manual, which is contradictory. You have Nikhil’s Pledge from 2016 (‘I will never go through a red light’) on p.34, and then in the section on Intersections (controlled and uncontrolled) it’s written very clearly on p.70 that a malfunctioning traffic light is to be treated as a 4-way stop signal (NJSA39:4-81).

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/license/drivermanual.pdf

 Learned something.  Appears that this provision was added in 2004 (according to the notes to NJSA 39:4-81).  Thanks!!!


joanne said:


After enjoying my small serve of Ice-cream for Breakfast and a short walk, I read the New Jersey drivers’ manual, which is contradictory. You have Nikhil’s Pledge from 2016 (‘I will never go through a red light’) on p.34, and then in the section on Intersections (controlled and uncontrolled) it’s written very clearly on p.70 that a malfunctioning traffic light is to be treated as a 4-way stop signal (NJSA39:4-81).

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/license/drivermanual.pdf

 After six years in NJ, I would argue that regardless of whether there are traffic lights or not, all NJ intersections are "uncontrolled."


joanne said:

 Good morning!

After enjoying my small serve of Ice-cream for Breakfast and a short walk, I read the New Jersey drivers’ manual, which is contradictory. You have Nikhil’s Pledge from 2016 (‘I will never go through a red light’) on p.34, and then in the section on Intersections (controlled and uncontrolled) it’s written very clearly on p.70 that a malfunctioning traffic light is to be treated as a 4-way stop signal (NJSA39:4-81).

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/license/drivermanual.pdf

You have odd reading habits. oh oh  


Jaytee said:

 Could be these people were not from Jersey. They just didn't care about leaving all the stuff for the liberals to pick up. 

 It is working people who pick up trash which may tell you something about Trump supporters that none of the "pundits" understand.

In high school Stephen Miller complained about being told to clean up after himself  when there were people who were paid to do it.

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1115739162790043648?lang=en


STANV said:

joanne said:

 Good morning!

After enjoying my small serve of Ice-cream for Breakfast and a short walk, I read the New Jersey drivers’ manual, which is contradictory. You have Nikhil’s Pledge from 2016 (‘I will never go through a red light’) on p.34, and then in the section on Intersections (controlled and uncontrolled) it’s written very clearly on p.70 that a malfunctioning traffic light is to be treated as a 4-way stop signal (NJSA39:4-81).

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/license/drivermanual.pdf

You have odd reading habits.
oh oh
 

 Former librarian, and copy editor (fact checker) for dictionaries, encyclopaedia, and academic publishers before morphing into disability and aged care advocacy.


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