The Trial of George Floyd's Murderer

drummerboy said:

I've seen 12 Angry Men many times. Both versions.

The reason I asked is that I wanted to avoid imposing information that you already knew firsthand. That’s never fun.

In addition to Steve’s observation, there’s the time it takes a jury to request, wait to receive and then review evidence and testimony. In my one-time experience, that’s where a lot of the time went. (Kudos to the stagecraft of Twelve Angry Men for producing the knife so efficiently.)

Even then, 10 hours isn’t that much longer than a single day at work.

I actually was on a criminal trial once, but I was an alternate and they bumped me before deliberations.

My understanding is that the Chauvin jury did not ask any questions of the judge.

Also, when talking, there’s the time it takes to go around the room and let all 12 jurors have their say at various points. (Unlike playwrights, people do tend to go on.)

drummerboy said:

My understanding is that the Chauvin jury did not ask any questions of the judge.

We asked a question of the judge once. We asked for evidence and testimony several times. Maybe, in the reporting, those two acts are treated separately. I don’t know.

me neither

I was jury foreman and we were there for days in a small room with no air conditioner.  One juror would not budge on conviction so it was a hung jury.

Worse was being foreman on grand jury. Interesting but it drags on for 2 days a week for 16 weeks. Nevertheless it was eye opening.

I think that the jury almost certainly took their job very seriously.   The laws and procedures in Minnesota seem to be a little different from NJ.   The Judge told the jury that there was no written transcript of testimony that the jury could ask a question about to have read back.   The jury was advised to take notes during the trial and I do not recall being allowed to do this in NJ.     I do not know if the definition of murder is different in NJ, but I do recall hearing the Judge in Minnesota say to the jury that even if there were other contributing factors (such as drugs or heart disease), that if the jury determined that the immediate cause of death was the action of the defendant, then the defendant could be found guilty.   

drummerboy said:

Biden is interrupting Jeopardy. Unacceptable.

 I would have "liked" this comment but Anderson Cooper?

STANV said:

drummerboy said:

Biden is interrupting Jeopardy. Unacceptable.

 I would have "liked" this comment but Anderson Cooper?

 meh, he's not bad except he's a little slow responding to the contestant's answers.

drummerboy said:

 now I'm wondering what they talked about for 10 hours.

Inside the Chauvin Jury Room: 11 of 12 Jurors Were Ready to Convict Right Away (NYT)

Immediately following closing arguments in the trial on April 19, jurors gathered in a conference room at the hotel where they were sequestered and surrendered their phones for deliberations, Mr. Mitchell said. ... They first considered second-degree manslaughter, the least serious of the charges Mr. Chauvin was facing, and the juror who would later indicate uncertainty about murder said she was unsure about the manslaughter charge, Mr. Mitchell said. Sitting at individual tables that were placed in a U-shape, the jurors took turns describing their thoughts. The jurors decided to wait until the second day of deliberations to discuss the murder charges, but dinner did not arrive for several more hours, so they made small talk instead, chatting about their jobs and children.

The next morning:

The seven women and five men spent the next few hours poring over the evidence in one of the most closely watched trials in a generation, according to Brandon Mitchell, who has been the only juror to publicly describe the deliberations last week near Minneapolis. Mr. Mitchell said the jurors watched the graphic videos of Mr. Floyd’s death, discussed the testimony of many of the witnesses and experts, and created their own timeline using markers and a whiteboard.

Radley Balko has written this great piece.

https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/the-retconning-of-george-floyd?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=dwey&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

I wasn't aware of this, but apparently the right has been forcefully been trying to re-write the history of Floyd's death so as to show that Chauvin was unjustly convicted for reasons. A documentary was made called The Fall of Minneapolis (TFOM) which attempts to prove this. Bari Weiss has picked up the meme, along with Coleman Hughes, a Black author who has become a celebrity on the right for his heterodox views on race.

Balko (who's firing from WaPo was a crime and a harbinger of the dark times coming there) has written a very detailed piece tearing apart TFOM. Fascinating reading. There's a part 2 coming.

It's a bit long, but unfortunately that's the price we pay for trying to debunk propaganda. It's not easy.

I generally like Coleman Hughes, but disagree with him on this one.

Even if the autopsy said he would have died anyway, what Chauvin did was unforgivable.  Glad that despicable human being is rotting away in a jail cell.  BTW: Rise of the Warrior Cop by Radley Balko is a great book. 

drummerboy said:

Radley Balko has written this great piece.

https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/the-retconning-of-george-floyd?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=dwey&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

I wasn't aware of this, but apparently the right has been forcefully been trying to re-write the history of Floyd's death so as to show that Chauvin was unjustly convicted for reasons. A documentary was made called The Fall of Minneapolis (TFOM) which attempts to prove this. Bari Weiss has picked up the meme, along with Coleman Hughes, a Black author who has become a celebrity on the right for his heterodox views on race.

Balko (who's firing from WaPo was a crime and a harbinger of the dark times coming there) has written a very detailed piece tearing apart TFOM. Fascinating reading. There's a part 2 coming.

It's a bit long, but unfortunately that's the price we pay for trying to debunk propaganda. It's not easy.

It does not appear to be available on the major streaming services.  Oh well...

yahooyahoo said:

It does not appear to be available on the major streaming services.  Oh well...

actually it's on youtube

Balko's series on Floyd continues

Part 2 - The Autopsy

An Update