Segregated BLM Holiday: Lisa Durden Interview with Tucker Carlson:

RealityForAll said:

Is racism and discrimination worse today than fifty years ago?

If not, then we have made progress.

And the Tucker Carlsons, the Gateway Pundits and those they speak for are part of the pushback.

seriously?

For renting their space to an event that is listed as "for black people"?  There is not one word in that invitation saying that white people may not attend.

RealityForAll said:
Sounds like MayDays and Watershed may have a Bob Jones University problem (explicit racism will cause NFP to loose its NFP status).

No of course not. But pretending that the decisions, actions and policies of previous generations has no affect on subsequent generations and individuals is an exercise in willful ignorance for political purposes.

RealityForAll said:

Answer the question, please.  Are we all individually responsible for the viewpoints of our father, grandfathers, great-grandfathers and so on?

dave23 said:

RealityForAll said:

I am not a conservative.  I am a libertarian.  Are we all individually responsible for the viewpoints of our father, grandfathers, great-grandfathers and so on?

We all are born into the stream of history. Pretending otherwise doesn't change that fact.

I will take your response as a yes,  we have made progress in the last fifty years (although your response on this issue is implicitly a yes).

DaveSchmidt said:

RealityForAll said:

Is racism and discrimination worse today than fifty years ago?

If not, then we have made progress.

And the Tucker Carlsons, the Gateway Pundits and those they speak for are part of the pushback.

We have problems.  We have "race" problems.    We can argue about about how this or that is better or worse than it was in 1950 or 1850 but we still have problems.  Enlightened self-interest, if nothing else, dictates that you should care about it.

I put it this way because the other ways of putting it, including all encompassing heated legalistic judgments about who is and is not at fault etc.,  tend to do nothing but get peoples' back up and push them apart.  Not helpful.

Why is it so hard to acknowledge progress on race over the last fifty years?

Is it not dishonest to fail to acknowledge such progress?

bub said:

We have problems.  We have "race" problems.    We can argue about about how this or that is better or worse than it was in 1950 or 1850 but we still have problems.  Enlightened self-interest, if nothing else, dictates that you should care about it.


I put it this way because the other ways of putting it, including all encompassing heated legalistic judgments about who is and is not at fault etc.,  tend to do nothing but get peoples' back up and push them apart.  Not helpful.

RealityForAll said:

I will take your response as a yes,  we have made progress in the last fifty years (although your response on this issue is implicitly a yes)

You caught me. It's a yes. What I think you're missing, though, and what's more important is the "but ..."

Where you go with that, if you go with it at all, is up to you. 

Agreed.

DaveSchmidt said:

RealityForAll said:

I will take your response as a yes,  we have made progress in the last fifty years (although your response on this issue is implicitly a yes)

You caught me. It's a yes. What I think you're missing, though, and what's more important is the "but ..."

Where you go with that, if you go with it at all, is up to you. 

Gilgul said:

If an all black meeting is ok then an all white one is ok. You can not have it both ways and call it fair. Period. 

There is no such thing as race. You can't have it both ways.

ridski said:

LOST said:

Carlson is the type of TV host who seeks guests with odd or extreme views so he can fight with them and boost is ratings

And we're done here.

Sadly, not.

By any measure - historical, cultural, psychological - white is not the opposite of black so the "can't have it both ways" idea is simplistic.  If posters went up around the town pushing a "white rights" organization, I know that no one who participates here, even the most doctrinaire conservative, would go to the meeting.  You would know instinctively to keep away.  You know what that's about.  Black people meeting to address the very real ongoing problems of black people  as a minority is a different matter. 

Btw, if you haven't seen it, watch the prologue of the 2nd or 3d episode of American Gods, wherein Orlando Jones, a god dressed like a sportin life pimp, descends into the hold of a slave ship to explain to the unfortunate what is coming for them and their descendants.   Among other things, he explains how they thought they were "just people" and didn't learn they were black people until enslavement.  Brilliant, painful great TV:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/orlando...                   

LOST said:

Gilgul said:

If an all black meeting is ok then an all white one is ok. You can not have it both ways and call it fair. Period. 

There is no such thing as race. You can't have it both ways.