Open up America "AGAIN?"

ml1 said:

mtierney said:

 Wrong take-away, but I would expect no less.

No one cares to comment on the other cartoon? 

first of all, it was the absolute correct take away.

Secondly, taken as a whole your posts are completely incoherent.  At times you seem to be praising Trump's reaction to the virus, and talking about how we need to be courageous and start reopening businesses.  Then you post a cartoon that rightly shows how reopening businesses would lead to more infections.  It can't be BOTH courageous and foolish to reopen can it?

@ml1 - I don't think she can see it. While most of us see those as the main points, and that they form a direct contradiction, I'm starting to think that she sees something different as being her main points. 


mtierney said:

this is not the time for pointing fingers, but an opportunity for positive action to seek immediate solutions

Pointing fingers is scheduled for November 3 


DaveSchmidt said:

Everything the crowd is saying is on cards, yet all the mouths are wide open.

(Aha!)

 Gee, I hadn’t noticed that! There is so much more going on.


mtierney said:

There is so much more going on.

The crowd’s mentality invites contagion.

What’d I miss?


DaveSchmidt said:

mtierney said:

No one cares to comment on the other cartoon?

Everything the crowd is saying is on cards, yet all the mouths are wide open.

(Aha!)

 The woman in the glasses has no eyes.


ridski said:

The woman in the glasses has no eyes.

My god, they turned into earrings.


75% have no upper teeth.


I think some are “pulling my chain” to use an expression once popular. But, I’ll play along.....

The American citizens, from left:

A senior citizen, an enraged, bullet wearing,  assault rifle carrying white man, a woman wearing an American flag dress, demanding she “git” her hair done, and the angry man demanding to get a tattoo.

Ageism, political POV, social, class, and regional slaps at the presumed uneducated. 

I probably missed some.


mtierney said:

Ageism, political POV, social, class, and regional slaps at the presumed uneducated. 

I probably missed some.

If you’re suggesting that the cartoonist has a dim view of the protesters’ intelligence, political POV and priorities, I bet you’re right.


My point being folks took umbrage over how Cuomo was sketched, but accepted the “red neck versions” of protestors. We see what we believe.


mtierney said: We see what we believe.

Amen 


mtierney said:

My point being folks took umbrage over how Cuomo was sketched, but accepted the “red neck versions” of protestors. We see what we believe.

 I don't see anything in the cartoon that suggests it's calling people rednecks.  Maybe you're the one with the regional prejudice if that's what you saw.


ml1 said:

mtierney said:

My point being folks took umbrage over how Cuomo was sketched, but accepted the “red neck versions” of protestors. We see what we believe.

 I don't see anything in the cartoon that suggests it's calling people rednecks.  Maybe you're the one with the regional prejudice if that's what you saw.

Video below is of a New Jersey protest.  Except for the guns (which were displayed in Pennsylvania and Michigan, at least NJ has more sane gun laws), this could be the crowd in the cartoon.


nohero said:

ml1 said:

mtierney said:

My point being folks took umbrage over how Cuomo was sketched, but accepted the “red neck versions” of protestors. We see what we believe.

 I don't see anything in the cartoon that suggests it's calling people rednecks.  Maybe you're the one with the regional prejudice if that's what you saw.

Video below is of a New Jersey protest.  Except for the guns (which were displayed in Pennsylvania and Michigan, at least NJ has more sane gun laws), this could be the crowd in the cartoon.

 if we're going to be honest, these protests are some serious white people ****.


ml1 said:

 if we're going to be honest, these protests are some serious white people ****.

These people have been there all the time. They just come out crawling from under their rock because they feel they have a friend in the White House. Which in reality isn't even true, he is just using them.


ml1 said:

nohero said:

Video below is of a New Jersey protest.  Except for the guns (which were displayed in Pennsylvania and Michigan, at least NJ has more sane gun laws), this could be the crowd in the cartoon.

 if we're going to be honest, these protests are some serious white people ****.

A column, which was in yesterday's Star Ledger, about how it's not "rednecks" but another type altogether:

Karen is selfish. She wants to go to the salon.

Karen wants a haircut, but she can’t get one. That has upset her to a remarkable degree. This whole “lockdown” thing has made her life especially trying. Being able to brag to your grandkids that you were part of an historic, communal effort to stem the tide of a deadly plague isn’t sitting well with her, and she wants something done about it.

A “Karen” is usually a middle-class white woman complaining about not receiving the deference or treatment she feels is hers. This often happens in a store or restaurant. She is often upset with a lowly, minimum wage employee who is just trying to survive and who has no say in how the business runs. If you have ever witnessed someone upset over some minor slight, and they now want to “see the manager” you have seen Karen in action.

Crises and plagues can stir up the darkness at the bottom of our society. We like to think we are civilized, but if that veneer should crack just a little, we go crazy and turn into the characters from Mad Max. And don’t give me that, “fifty zillion people die from car crashes and we don’t lock down” nonsense. Car crashes are not contagious. Tens of thousands die from cigarette smoking and second-hand smoke. That’s why you can’t smoke on planes and buses and inside businesses anymore.

The Karen phenomenon is a sub-set of the wider world of white privilege: the idea that certain people deserve better treatment and consideration.

Trump takes the side of the gun-toting ignorant people (see picture of Pennsylvania protest below) instead of the Governor trying to stop the spread of the deadly virus. 


The actual people named "Karen" who I know are great. Why did they pick that name?

As to the term "redneck" why would someone in the northern State of  Michigan carry a Confederate Flag to a Demonstration?  Men from Michigan died fighting against the Confederacy. 

Are they transplanted Southerners or just people who think Michigan picked the wrong side?


STANV said:

The actual people named "Karen" who I know are great. Why did they pick that name?

I do not know how it started, although it predates the current rash of entitled jerks.

Picture of the Pennsylvania protestors I referenced above, to go with the idiotic Trump tweet.  


I don't see the picture you are referencing


There's a historical context to the use of Karen, just as there is Becky and Chad. It's just a way of stereotyping people who often deserve to be stereotyped.

ETA: Meant to include this -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)


I see Trump is railing against Obamagate more then he's tweeting about the covid crisis.  ugh


nohero said:

ml1 said:

nohero said:

Video below is of a New Jersey protest.  Except for the guns (which were displayed in Pennsylvania and Michigan, at least NJ has more sane gun laws), this could be the crowd in the cartoon.

 if we're going to be honest, these protests are some serious white people ****.

A column, which was in yesterday's Star Ledger, about how it's not "rednecks" but another type altogether:

Karen is selfish. She wants to go to the salon.

Karen wants a haircut, but she can’t get one. That has upset her to a remarkable degree. This whole “lockdown” thing has made her life especially trying. Being able to brag to your grandkids that you were part of an historic, communal effort to stem the tide of a deadly plague isn’t sitting well with her, and she wants something done about it.

A “Karen” is usually a middle-class white woman complaining about not receiving the deference or treatment she feels is hers. This often happens in a store or restaurant. She is often upset with a lowly, minimum wage employee who is just trying to survive and who has no say in how the business runs. If you have ever witnessed someone upset over some minor slight, and they now want to “see the manager” you have seen Karen in action.

Crises and plagues can stir up the darkness at the bottom of our society. We like to think we are civilized, but if that veneer should crack just a little, we go crazy and turn into the characters from Mad Max. And don’t give me that, “fifty zillion people die from car crashes and we don’t lock down” nonsense. Car crashes are not contagious. Tens of thousands die from cigarette smoking and second-hand smoke. That’s why you can’t smoke on planes and buses and inside businesses anymore.

The Karen phenomenon is a sub-set of the wider world of white privilege: the idea that certain people deserve better treatment and consideration.
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Karen wants a haircut, but she can’t get one. That has upset her to a remarkable degree. This whole “lockdown” thing has made her life especially trying. Being able to brag to your grandkids that you were part of an historic, communal effort to stem the tide of a deadly plague isn’t sitting well with her, and she wants something done about it.

A “Karen” is usually a middle-class white woman complaining about not receiving the deference or treatment she feels is hers. This often happens in a store or restaurant. She is often upset with a lowly, minimum wage employee who is just trying to survive and who has no say in how the business runs. If you have ever witnessed someone upset over some minor slight, and they now want to “see the manager” you have seen Karen in action.

Crises and plagues can stir up the darkness at the bottom of our society. We like to think we are civilized, but if that veneer should crack just a little, we go crazy and turn into the characters from Mad Max. And don’t give me that, “fifty zillion people die from car crashes and we don’t lock down” nonsense. Car crashes are not contagious. Tens of thousands die from cigarette smoking and second-hand smoke. That’s why you can’t smoke on planes and buses and inside businesses anymore.

The Karen phenomenon is a sub-set of the wider world of white privilege: the idea that certain people deserve better treatment and consideration.

 and as usual the comments are awful. They stopped allowing them on nj.com, but you can see the replies to the tweet about the article. The ratio was about 10 to 1 in support of reopening businesses now, and critical of the governor in particular. Nj.com really seems to trigger the state's right wing snowflakes. 


ridski said:

There's a historical context to the use of Karen, just as there is Becky and Chad. It's just a way of stereotyping people who often deserve to be stereotyped.

I suspect it goes back to the fact that it was among the most popular names for Baby Boomer girls.  


Now I am going to have to Google "Karen" and "Obamagate".


From Wikipedia:

The origins of Karen as an Internet meme predominately date back to an anonymous Reddit user, Fuck_You_Karen, who would make posts ranting about and denigrating his ex-wife Karen, who he alleged had "taken" both his children and, later, his house during divorce proceedings.


STANV said:

Obamagate.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-goes-wild-with-obamagate-conspiracy-theory-after-obama-slams-flynn-case-withdrawal

This gets more dangerous by the minute. 

 jeebus.  It appears his main source for this is the person widely known as the stupidest man on the internet.


nohero said:

Video below is of a New Jersey protest.  Except for the guns (which were displayed in Pennsylvania and Michigan, at least NJ has more sane gun laws), this could be the crowd in the cartoon.

 So not true. A photo of citizens demonstrating in no way compares to the caricatures in the cartoon. A flag is held (not a crime yet) and a woman Is wearing a flag dress — which was at one time viewed as disrespect. 
if you did not watch Governor Cuomo's update at noon today, please try to find the full remarks, not just sound bites. The governor, in his inimitable style, realistically presents how and why New York will reopen! He even touches on the point that somewhere, politics became the problem, not a solution.

He stressed the vital fact that it will be the people who have the power to reopen America —by state, by region, city by city.  He compared how a valve can open slowly, checking its gauge, 

rolleyes  the governor of N.Y.!


mtierney said:

 So not true. A photo of citizens demonstrating in no way compares to the caricatures in the cartoon. A flag is held (not a crime yet) and a woman Is wearing a flag dress — which was at one time viewed as disrespect. 
if you did not watch Governor Cuomo's update at noon today, please try to find the full remarks, not just sound bites. The governor, in his inimitable style, realistically presents how and why New York will reopen! He even touches on the point that somewhere, politics became the problem, not a solution.

He stressed the vital fact that it will be the people who have the power to reopen America —by state, by region, city by city.  He compared how a valve can open slowly, checking its gauge, 

rolleyes
  the governor of N.Y.!

 the only thing in the cartoon that's not in the video is a gun, because NJ has sane gun laws.


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