Legal weed is here! Finally!
Anyone know if the new municipal sales tax is charged to those buying medical cannabis?
My thought is no. If you've been buying with a medical prescription the pricing structure is what it is.
And depending on the price difference I may look into this (for a friend actually....vodka is my medicinal choice these days lol).
the smoke ables are much more expensive. the edibles are $70 for 35 pieces. I'd end up wasting a lot attempting to smoke it. i am guessing that it may be a handful of edibles to equal a smokeable though
ridski said:
Anyone know if the new municipal sales tax is charged to those buying medical cannabis?
I believe, based on statements during a TC meeting, that the town receives a 2% tax on medical cannabis sales.
jmitw said:
the smoke ables are much more expensive. the edibles are $70 for 35 pieces. I'd end up wasting a lot attempting to smoke it. i am guessing that it may be a handful of edibles to equal a smokeable though
it depends on how you smoke it. Joints are a big waste. Packing a bowl is a big waste. I use a small pipe, and use tweezers to just put enough in the bowl for one hit. Lasts a long time that way. Hardly any waste.
As for a handful of edibles - watch out!! The edibles I have are 5 and 10 mg of THC. I would recommend starting with 5mg at first to see how that affects you before taking higher doses. These days I cut the edibles and only take 7.5mg at a time. (more or less) Any more and the high is just a little too intense for me.
shoot - was that TMI?
problem is I don't know how to smoke it and would mess up and waste it
drummerboy said:
As for a handful of edibles - watch out!! The edibles I have are 5 and 10 mg of THC. I would recommend starting with 5mg at first to see how that affects you before taking higher doses.
See if the store has any rookie cookies for sale. Just like it implies, it's an edible with all the same ingredients as regular edibles, only with a much lower THC amount.
Rookies also tend to over do it with edibles. Unlike smoked or vaped cannabis, the THC must be absorbed from the GI tract and so the onset of action is 10 minutes or more rather than 10 seconds for a hit to begin taking effect. If they're trying an edible, they might be impatient to feel something and take another because they mistakenly think the first one was not all that strong.
Pharmacokinetics.
PeterWick said:
drummerboy said:
As for a handful of edibles - watch out!! The edibles I have are 5 and 10 mg of THC. I would recommend starting with 5mg at first to see how that affects you before taking higher doses.
See if the store has any rookie cookies for sale. Just like it implies, it's an edible with all the same ingredients as regular edibles, only with a much lower THC amount.
Rookies also tend to over do it with edibles. Unlike smoked or vaped cannabis, the THC must be absorbed from the GI tract and so the onset of action is 10 minutes or more rather than 10 seconds for a hit to begin taking effect. If they're trying an edible, they might be impatient to feel something and take another because they mistakenly think the first one was not all that strong.
Pharmacokinetics.
Yeah, for an edibles beginner, starting lower than 5mg for initial edible dosing is a good idea.
And the edible's effects last a lot longer than when you smoke, and is generally more intense (I find, anyway)
A nice compromise between eating edibles and smoking flower are vape cartridges. You get the effect of smoking, but don't have to deal with rolling paper or pipes and lighters.
After decades of smoking I have arrived at the most efficient (for me) way to avoid wasting the flower. I use a corn cob pipe with a screen and after I take a hit I hold a small piece of cardboard over the bowl to extinguish it. Then I relight when I am ready. There is a small tax on medicinal flowers, but I don't know where that goes.
Yeah, that's the key - if your weed is throwing smoke and you're not inhaling it, it's just being wasted.
When I smoked for the first time, decades ago, I felt nothing. I think the same thing happened the second time. Then the third time it hit me like a truck and I hallucinated. Then I just occasionally smoked in college, and it was an unpredictable high (but never again with hallucinations). Due to the unpredictability, I would aim for less rather than more.
Now I remember the last time I smoked in college... there was a group of us, and one of the high guys was convinced that we were going to hook up, despite my saying otherwise. I was glad for not being very high, as I was able to get out of that situation. But that was the end of smoking for me.
I stopped smoking in college, late 70's, because the high started to become unpleasant. Made me paranoid, anxious.
I started again about 6 years ago, and it's been fine since then. I had one bad experience when I ingested a bit too much and I just got too high for comfort. But other than that, it's been good.
joan_crystal said:
ridski said:
Anyone know if the new municipal sales tax is charged to those buying medical cannabis?
I believe, based on statements during a TC meeting, that the town receives a 2% tax on medical cannabis sales.
Does it already receive that, or does the tax go into effect on Thursday? The article was confusing.
I can only go by what I hear at the TC meetings. The cost of medical cannabis should include the 2% sales tax effective the date that sale of medical cannabis became legal in Maplewood. The articles you are reading now are likely to focus on "recreational" cannabis which does not go on sale until Thursday at the earliest.
"The news comes just three days after state regulators greenlighted permits for seven facilities, which already sell medical cannabis, to begin retailing recreational marijuana. It's also about a year after the state's regulatory commission started operating, and a year and a half after voters overwhelmingly approved a ballot question to allow recreational marijuana for people 21 and older."
"Three of the seven New Jersey facilities, known as alternative treatment centers, are in the northern part of the state. Three are in the south, and one is in its central."
"Legislation governing the recreational market calls for the 6.625% sales tax to apply, with 70% of the proceeds going to areas disproportionately affected by marijuana-related arrests. Black residents were likelier — up to three times as much — to face marijuana charges than white residents. Towns can also levy a tax of up to 2%."
Looks like Maplewood is going for the max allowed on the municipal portion of tax.
yahooyahoo said:
"The news comes just three days after state regulators greenlighted permits for seven facilities, which already sell medical cannabis, to begin retailing recreational marijuana. It's also about a year after the state's regulatory commission started operating, and a year and a half after voters overwhelmingly approved a ballot question to allow recreational marijuana for people 21 and older."
"Three of the seven New Jersey facilities, known as alternative treatment centers, are in the northern part of the state. Three are in the south, and one is in its central."
"Legislation governing the recreational market calls for the 6.625% sales tax to apply, with 70% of the proceeds going to areas disproportionately affected by marijuana-related arrests. Black residents were likelier — up to three times as much — to face marijuana charges than white residents. Towns can also levy a tax of up to 2%."
Looks like Maplewood is going for the max allowed on the municipal portion of tax.
This is what the referendum said we voted on: that the sales tax can be more than the prevailing rate. I think it's great that towns - particularly ones with fairly low commercial ratables like Maplewood - can levy up to 2%. It remains to be seen what the prices will be at first (pre-sales/local tax). I predict with time and more competition from the newer places and the grey market, prices will come down.
Here's a conundrum predicted by the seminar I attended a while back. There is a mismatch between the state and federal laws and depending on your agency/employer, they may not look kindly on the possibility you could be impaired at all on the job. This is about the police in particular but what about hospitals and other medical staff? Fire departments and ambulance crews? Teachers? Home health aides?
Sticky stuff to be ironed out.
https://twitter.com/StevenFulop/status/1516814294775746564?s=20&t=aPrVzL4AhCIyynVQ5LG3IA
Steve Fulop:
Directive issued today below. There will be no ambiguity on how JCPD will approach this + we will pursue legally if tested via the federal court system. Bottom line is trust is fragile between communities/police + we should make sure that there isn’t compromised judgement .
PeterWick said:
Here's a conundrum predicted by the seminar I attended a while back. There is a mismatch between the state and federal laws and depending on your agency/employer, they may not look kindly on the possibility you could be impaired at all on the job. This is about the police in particular but what about hospitals and other medical staff? Fire departments and ambulance crews? Teachers? Home health aides?
Sticky stuff to be ironed out.
https://twitter.com/StevenFulop/status/1516814294775746564?s=20&t=aPrVzL4AhCIyynVQ5LG3IASteve Fulop:
Directive issued today below. There will be no ambiguity on how JCPD will approach this + we will pursue legally if tested via the federal court system. Bottom line is trust is fragile between communities/police + we should make sure that there isn’t compromised judgement .
If the federal decriminalization bill passes will the federal court system still prosecute?
the18thletter said:
If the federal decriminalization bill passes will the federal court system still prosecute?
I would hope not. Will they expunge records like the states are working on? Uhhhhh.
Still, the whole array of employment decisions is going to be an ongoing mess, especially if it gets adopted as a political agenda talking point.
wendy said:
yahooyahoo said:
"The news comes just three days after state regulators greenlighted permits for seven facilities, which already sell medical cannabis, to begin retailing recreational marijuana. It's also about a year after the state's regulatory commission started operating, and a year and a half after voters overwhelmingly approved a ballot question to allow recreational marijuana for people 21 and older."
"Three of the seven New Jersey facilities, known as alternative treatment centers, are in the northern part of the state. Three are in the south, and one is in its central."
"Legislation governing the recreational market calls for the 6.625% sales tax to apply, with 70% of the proceeds going to areas disproportionately affected by marijuana-related arrests. Black residents were likelier — up to three times as much — to face marijuana charges than white residents. Towns can also levy a tax of up to 2%."
Looks like Maplewood is going for the max allowed on the municipal portion of tax.
This is what the referendum said we voted on: that the sales tax can be more than the prevailing rate. I think it's great that towns - particularly ones with fairly low commercial ratables like Maplewood - can levy up to 2%. It remains to be seen what the prices will be at first (pre-sales/local tax). I predict with time and more competition from the newer places and the grey market, prices will come down.
My primary concern was whether or not the town is taxing prescription medicines, and whether they had already been doing so. As each legalized dispensary is required to keep supplies for adult-use and medical-use separate, then it seems kind of unfair for those who have gone to a doctor and then paid up to $100 for a prescription card, which limits the amount of product they can get to 3oz every 30 days, to have to pay the same town tax as any joe off the street who can buy as much as they want, one ounce at a time.
At 8 o’clock there were 25 people, all men, online probably four cops and at least one camera. It doesn’t open for an hour.
jeffl said:
At 8 o’clock there were 25 people, all men, online probably four cops and at least one camera. It doesn’t open for an hour.
there were people **** on FB that the township doesn't allow businesses to hire armed guards. My thought was that is what we have police for. I would think over time there won't be long lines to get in the shop every day.
ml1 said:
jeffl said:
At 8 o’clock there were 25 people, all men, online probably four cops and at least one camera. It doesn’t open for an hour.
there were people **** on FB that the township doesn't allow businesses to hire armed guards. My thought was that is what we have police for. I would think over time there won't be long lines to get in the shop every day.
for the life of me, I can't figure out what those asterisks are for
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
jeffl said:
At 8 o’clock there were 25 people, all men, online probably four cops and at least one camera. It doesn’t open for an hour.
there were people **** on FB that the township doesn't allow businesses to hire armed guards. My thought was that is what we have police for. I would think over time there won't be long lines to get in the shop every day.
for the life of me, I can't figure out what those asterisks are for
I’m guessing it starts with a b and ends with an ing.
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Just confirmed they are officially open for recreational business next Thursday. Flowers are part of the product mix. Taxes will be high (paraphrasing an answer from a phone call I made) which sort of goes against the referendum we voted yes for given the sales tax cap. But I suppose if these extra taxes go to the municipality then I suppose I'm for that.