How far will Trump go? Child Abuse Edition.
Melania's jacket is totally astounding to me. Either it was a deliberate middle finger to us poor snowflakes worrying about the chilluns - or it was the most clueless act in the history of mankind.
In either case - mind blowing. And a testament to the emptiness of Melania's soul.
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Meanwhile, the story that's not getting too much play is that it looks like all of these separated families are going to be permanently separated, since there is no system to keep them together.
“At one point, (the judge) slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying,” Hanshew wrote. “This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court. I can’t understand this, the judge said. If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?”
Damn these people and their supporters to the darkest hell.
I’ve already mentioned that. BBC reported on that system last weekend. In many cases, no-one knows the children’s names, and they’re not allowed to use their real names just fake names or numbers. In some cases children have gone ‘to the toilet’ escorted by a ‘guardian’ and not come back, because they were ‘fostered’/‘rehomed’ (I believe in a couple of cases to another country), and can’t be traced. “They’re not our citizens, not our responsibility, ask their embassy what’s happened”
some of those articles:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44528900 this one’s on the impact of the trauma, comparing with other countries’ policies now and recent past, as well as different US sites
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44518942 this one from Sunday, includes a section about a 16yr old in charge of much younger unrelated children including a disabled toddler in diapers. Few people speak the young girl’s language. This is also the article that mentions children ‘disappearing’, and difficulties finding anyone.
I know we all want Melania and Ivanka to be reasonable and human and respectable, and maybe even patriotic, but they are not. Just like John Kelly is not. And Mattis is not. Neither is Wilbur Ross, or Munchkin, or Kushner. They are all morally corrupt and rotten to the core.
Couldn't agree more. It's the enablers (House and Senate leaders included) who do the most damage. Trump is Trump, morally bankrupt and evil, but he can't act without cooperation, collusion, and complicity (the 3 Cs?).
And Melania's jacket? As db says, who the fcuk is advising her? While I don't expect much from her, someone should have a clue.
Funniest (sickest) administration response - "There's no hidden message!" No siht Sherlock. It's overt and written in block letters on her jacket, as many have said.
Also, as I've said before, I read White Trash, Hillbilly Elegy, and a couple of other "explanations" of the Trump voter mentality, but they too - in their fear, ignorance, and paranoia - bear blame. They don't even know that the rich are laughing at their complicity in killing the EPA, Interior, Consumer Financial bureau, HUD, and everything positive we've gained in recent years.
Bar Officially Cannot Be Lowered
MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report)—A group of scholars who have been monitoring the descent of the bar over the past few decades have concluded that the bar can no longer be lowered, the scholars announced on Friday.
The academics, led by Professor Davis Logsdon, of the University of Minnesota, published their conclusion after their research definitively found that the bar had finally dropped to its lowest possible position.
“For those who thought the bar still had room to be lowered, our findings resoundingly contradict that assumption,” Logsdon said. “The bar is now essentially flush with the ground.”
Logsdon acknowledged that he and his fellow scholars have come under fire in the past for claiming that the bar could not be further lowered, specifically when they issued a paper to that effect after the selection of the Republican Vice-Presidential nominee in 2008.
“We got that one wrong,” he said. “Clearly, the bar still had a way to go.”
Now that the issue of whether the bar can be further lowered has been settled, Logsdon and his colleagues plan to examine the question of whether there is anything left to scrape at the bottom of the barrel. “Our findings are preliminary, but it appears that the answer is no,” he said.
GL2 said:
Bar Officially Cannot Be Lowered
MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report)—A group of scholars who have been monitoring the descent of the bar over the past few decades have concluded that the bar can no longer be lowered, the scholars announced on Friday.
The academics, led by Professor Davis Logsdon, of the University of Minnesota, published their conclusion after their research definitively found that the bar had finally dropped to its lowest possible position.
“For those who thought the bar still had room to be lowered, our findings resoundingly contradict that assumption,” Logsdon said. “The bar is now essentially flush with the ground.”
Logsdon acknowledged that he and his fellow scholars have come under fire in the past for claiming that the bar could not be further lowered, specifically when they issued a paper to that effect after the selection of the Republican Vice-Presidential nominee in 2008.
“We got that one wrong,” he said. “Clearly, the bar still had a way to go.”
Now that the issue of whether the bar can be further lowered has been settled, Logsdon and his colleagues plan to examine the question of whether there is anything left to scrape at the bottom of the barrel. “Our findings are preliminary, but it appears that the answer is no,” he said.
So can we begin a reverse limbo and assume there is no way to go but up?
A must have fashion item for the summer season's protests. I Really Care ts and jackets raising funds for families seeking asylum.
http://www.thisisinsider.com/i-really-care-jackets-melania-trump-2018-6
tjohn said:
HatsOff said:He's just trolling.
If that guy is a teacher I am really glad my kid is no longer in the school system. Not because of his politics - but because of his incoherent arguments. Somebody with critical thinking skills that poor has no business teaching.
One thing Trump does is to take a legitimate concern (border security, North Korea, trade imbalances) and wrap it in fear and white victimhood to the point where it becomes nothing but drama and hysteria and nothing good comes out of it.
It would be nice to have an adult conversation about border security, for example, including a discussion of how to address the factors that make people desperate enough to leave their homes with nothing to attempt a dangerous and uncertain trip north to try to enter the United States.
So you are OK with a Trump troll to teach our high schoolers? Well, at least nobody can claim we are not an inclusive community. What's next? A nazi in township committee?
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
gerritn said:
tjohn said:So you are OK with a Trump troll to teach our high schoolers? Well, at least nobody can claim we are not an inclusive community. What's next? A nazi in township committee?
HatsOff said:He's just trolling.
If that guy is a teacher I am really glad my kid is no longer in the school system. Not because of his politics - but because of his incoherent arguments. Somebody with critical thinking skills that poor has no business teaching.
One thing Trump does is to take a legitimate concern (border security, North Korea, trade imbalances) and wrap it in fear and white victimhood to the point where it becomes nothing but drama and hysteria and nothing good comes out of it.
It would be nice to have an adult conversation about border security, for example, including a discussion of how to address the factors that make people desperate enough to leave their homes with nothing to attempt a dangerous and uncertain trip north to try to enter the United States.
That wasn’t said at all - they said ADULT...
alex4855 said:
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
lol - very weak. very weak.
drummerboy said:
alex4855 said:lol - very weak. very weak.
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
prove my point...sadly.
alex4855 said:
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
As I recall, Elian Gonzalez was returned to Cuba to be with his father. Just like taking children from their mothers except for the separation part.
tjohn said:
alex4855 said:As I recall, Elian Gonzalez was returned to Cuba to be with his father. Just like taking children from their mothers except for the separation part.
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
Nope. No need to be naive. He was returned to Fidel who applied all the pressure. Bill and Janet- great examples of how Democrats brought sanctuary to a Cuban child rafter.. disgusting.
alex4855 said:
tjohn said:Nope. No need to be naive. He was returned to Fidel who applied all the pressure. Bill and Janet- great examples of how Democrats brought sanctuary to a Cuban child rafter.. disgusting.
alex4855 said:As I recall, Elian Gonzalez was returned to Cuba to be with his father. Just like taking children from their mothers except for the separation part.
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
So you're for the forced separation of a child from his father, yes?
Just trying to get your beliefs straight.
I also do not understand the point that is trying to be made about Elian. His mother had died and his father lived in Cuba. For our country to decide where he’d have a better life and separate him from his only living parent wasn’t our shining moment, IMHO although it ended as it should have. But it really has nothing to do with the current situation.
conandrob240 said:
I also do not understand the point that is trying to be made about Elian. His mother had died and his father lived in Cuba. For our country to decide where he’d have a better life and separate him from his only living parent wasn’t our shining moment, IMHO although it ended as it should have. But it really has nothing to do with the current situation.
It does if you're horrible at making analogies.
drummerboy said:
conandrob240 said:It does if you're horrible at making analogies.
I also do not understand the point that is trying to be made about Elian. His mother had died and his father lived in Cuba. For our country to decide where he’d have a better life and separate him from his only living parent wasn’t our shining moment, IMHO although it ended as it should have. But it really has nothing to do with the current situation.
Clearly you are uneducated on the Elian story. His father called his brother to alert the family the boy was traveling with the mother- and to watch over the boy and mom until he could join them - as refugees from Fidel's Cuba. Mom did not make it. Fidel got hold of the story as it became a media handle he could not control. Its not about the father at all... its about the Democrats, Bill Clinton and Janet Reno.. and the child they "liberated" at machine gun point in the early hours. Yep, the Democrats had a real shining moment on this one!
I am fully aware of the story and my recount was exactly correct. His mother died, his father remained in Cuba and he was re- united with his father. I also understand the bigger picture- the political implications and all. And, as I said, the whole thing was not our shining moment. And it still has just about nothing to do with the current situation.
alex4855 said:
drummerboy said:Clearly you are uneducated on the Elian story. His father called his brother to alert the family the boy was traveling with the mother- and to watch over the boy and mom until he could join them - as refugees from Fidel's Cuba. Mom did not make it. Fidel got hold of the story as it became a media handle he could not control. Its not about the father at all... its about the Democrats, Bill Clinton and Janet Reno.. and the child they "liberated" at machine gun point in the early hours. Yep, the Democrats had a real shining moment on this one!
conandrob240 said:It does if you're horrible at making analogies.
I also do not understand the point that is trying to be made about Elian. His mother had died and his father lived in Cuba. For our country to decide where he’d have a better life and separate him from his only living parent wasn’t our shining moment, IMHO although it ended as it should have. But it really has nothing to do with the current situation.
You conveniently left out the part that Elian's father demanded that he be brought back home to Cuba. And Elian was repatriated not because of "Democrats" but due to a succession of superior court decisions.So you know, rule of law and all that.
So you're kinda right, in that you got Elian's name right. Other than that, not so much.
drummerboy said:
alex4855 said:You conveniently left out the part that Elian's father demanded that he be brought back home to Cuba. And Elian was repatriated not because of "Democrats" but due to a succession of superior court decisions.So you know, rule of law and all that.
drummerboy said:Clearly you are uneducated on the Elian story. His father called his brother to alert the family the boy was traveling with the mother- and to watch over the boy and mom until he could join them - as refugees from Fidel's Cuba. Mom did not make it. Fidel got hold of the story as it became a media handle he could not control. Its not about the father at all... its about the Democrats, Bill Clinton and Janet Reno.. and the child they "liberated" at machine gun point in the early hours. Yep, the Democrats had a real shining moment on this one!
conandrob240 said:It does if you're horrible at making analogies.
I also do not understand the point that is trying to be made about Elian. His mother had died and his father lived in Cuba. For our country to decide where he’d have a better life and separate him from his only living parent wasn’t our shining moment, IMHO although it ended as it should have. But it really has nothing to do with the current situation.
So you're kinda right, in that you got Elian's name right. Other than that, not so much.
You need to substitute Fidel for Juan Miguel. The decision by the courts was fed by the weak Billy and Janet responses. A disaster- The mothers bringing children today provide no evidence that the father's back home allowed for the kids to leave... perhaps they should be turned back as well.
Where are we when DJT's "buds" are Lynch and Kanye? I'm sure his crowd would love an evening of Lynch films (especially Eraserhead) and a few Kanye raps. 
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The piece, published on Sunday, aggregated an interview acclaimed director David Lynch had recently granted to The Guardian and included the filmmaker offering some caveated praise of the 45th president of the United States. The Breitbart headline, which Trump gleefully quoted on Twitter on Monday, read, “Director David Lynch: Trump ‘Could Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents in History.’”
A White House official told The Daily Beast that President Trump was “delighted” after he had read the Breitbart post and talked about it in the same upbeat manner he has used when he has come across news of other A-list celebrities praising his presidency, including rapper Kanye West.
alex4855 said:
Lest we forget how far Democrats will go: Child Abuse Edition
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flashback-the-elian-gonzalez-raid-432452675859
hypocrites and self righteous fascists.
The Clinton Administration acted correctly to reunite a child with his father.
Did you have a problem with that?
alex4855 said:
Clearly you are uneducated on the Elian story. His father called his brother to alert the family the boy was traveling with the mother- and to watch over the boy and mom until he could join them - as refugees from Fidel's Cuba.
I do not recall that at all. As I recall the mother left with her boyfriend and the child without the father knowing anything about it. The father always pressed to have his son returned to him. First the boy's grandmothers came to the US to take him home. When that didn't work the father traveled to Florida with his second wife and Elian's half-brother.
If the father wanted to remain with them in the US he could have done so.
If I have this wrong please cite a source for your version.
GL2 said:
Where are we when DJT's "buds" are Lynch and Kanye? I'm sure his crowd would love an evening of Lynch films (especially Eraserhead) and a few Kanye raps.
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The piece, published on Sunday, aggregated an interview acclaimed director David Lynch had recently granted to The Guardian and included the filmmaker offering some caveated praise of the 45th president of the United States. The Breitbart headline, which Trump gleefully quoted on Twitter on Monday, read, “Director David Lynch: Trump ‘Could Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents in History.’”
A White House official told The Daily Beast that President Trump was “delighted” after he had read the Breitbart post and talked about it in the same upbeat manner he has used when he has come across news of other A-list celebrities praising his presidency, including rapper Kanye West.
Official letter from David Lynch:
ridski said:
GL2 said:Official letter from David Lynch:
Where are we when DJT's "buds" are Lynch and Kanye? I'm sure his crowd would love an evening of Lynch films (especially Eraserhead) and a few Kanye raps.
_____________________
The piece, published on Sunday, aggregated an interview acclaimed director David Lynch had recently granted to The Guardian and included the filmmaker offering some caveated praise of the 45th president of the United States. The Breitbart headline, which Trump gleefully quoted on Twitter on Monday, read, “Director David Lynch: Trump ‘Could Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents in History.’”
A White House official told The Daily Beast that President Trump was “delighted” after he had read the Breitbart post and talked about it in the same upbeat manner he has used when he has come across news of other A-list celebrities praising his presidency, including rapper Kanye West.
When you need David Lynch to inject a dose of reality into the situation ...
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I know we all want Melania and Ivanka to be reasonable and human and respectable, and maybe even patriotic, but they are not. Just like John Kelly is not. And Mattis is not. Neither is Wilbur Ross, or Munchkin, or Kushner. They are all morally corrupt and rotten to the core.