Help, 45 lb dog just ate almost a pound of cheese archived
I heard the cheese thing from a vet on the today show.
jersey boy, yeah, the stories were more sinister, like euthanizing 2 cats right after they were dropped off, and when the person had a change of heart and turned their car around to go get the cats back, they'd already been killed.
i do like your idea though - maybe you should write to dick wolf?
also, that's why i was asking TR, because i was curious what made him stop going to that doc. i don't think of it as an unsubstantiated claim, as i said (in the 2nd post) that i'd been told, i didn't present it as fact.
jersey boy, yeah, the stories were more sinister, like euthanizing 2 cats right after they were dropped off, and when the person had a change of heart and turned their car around to go get the cats back, they'd already been killed.
i do like your idea though - maybe you should write to dick wolf?
also, that's why i was asking TR, because i was curious what made him stop going to that doc. i don't think of it as an unsubstantiated claim, as i said (in the 2nd post) that i'd been told, i didn't present it as fact.
Sep 9, 2007 at 3:09am Edited
Dr. Mallampati is retired.
And someone who DROPPED OFF animals to be euthanized complained because they were...euthanized?
Maybe if they had stayed to comfort their pets in their final moments instead of dropping them off like so much garbage (mortally ill or in pain, I assume) like any decent human being they would have had their shot at 'changing their mind'. The pet owner sounds like the sinister one here!
edited when I calmed down a bit...
And someone who DROPPED OFF animals to be euthanized complained because they were...euthanized?
Maybe if they had stayed to comfort their pets in their final moments instead of dropping them off like so much garbage (mortally ill or in pain, I assume) like any decent human being they would have had their shot at 'changing their mind'. The pet owner sounds like the sinister one here!
edited when I calmed down a bit...
Just wanted enough time to go by for a full report. I have been very grateful for all the helpful hints and words of assurance. Here's what happened so far: No vomiting, no diarrhea, no constipation. I think for a couple of hours afterward he was kind of lethargic, but by the afternoon he was running around in the yard. I have seen cheese listed as a no-no on vets' lists for dogs; that's easily substantiated. But I've even seen the dog whisperer give pieces of cheese as training rewards. My guess is that a large amount of cheese (very fatty) is not good for dogs, but not considered poisonous like chocolate is.
BRAVO Scully.
When faced with owner surrenders, vets are in a difficult situation. they are bound by their code of ethics to do what the owners ask, in that instance. Vets who agree to euthanize, and then re-home or adopt animals themselves (or by their staffs) can find themselves in a lot of hot water with the State Veterinary Board.
Vets always have the right to refuse to euthanize a healthy animal, and usually they will try to talk the owners out of it, or get them to sign papers relinquishing ownership and surrendering the animals to them. But vets don't like to refuse, because sad past experience has shown that the owners will dispose of their unwanted animals one way or another---run them over with their own cars, attach a hose to the tailpipe with the animal in a closed carrier---well, you get the picture. And if they surrender the animal to thte vet---what is he supposed to do with it---it usually has to be housed in the surgery, which takes up space from sick animals---and who pays for the animal's room and board? Vets run on a low profit margin to begin with.
I don't know the doctor in question, but to perpetuate rumors and insinuation , especially on a public message board, is unwise, at the very least.
Calli
When faced with owner surrenders, vets are in a difficult situation. they are bound by their code of ethics to do what the owners ask, in that instance. Vets who agree to euthanize, and then re-home or adopt animals themselves (or by their staffs) can find themselves in a lot of hot water with the State Veterinary Board.
Vets always have the right to refuse to euthanize a healthy animal, and usually they will try to talk the owners out of it, or get them to sign papers relinquishing ownership and surrendering the animals to them. But vets don't like to refuse, because sad past experience has shown that the owners will dispose of their unwanted animals one way or another---run them over with their own cars, attach a hose to the tailpipe with the animal in a closed carrier---well, you get the picture. And if they surrender the animal to thte vet---what is he supposed to do with it---it usually has to be housed in the surgery, which takes up space from sick animals---and who pays for the animal's room and board? Vets run on a low profit margin to begin with.
I don't know the doctor in question, but to perpetuate rumors and insinuation , especially on a public message board, is unwise, at the very least.
Calli
That is so horrible, calli. Breaks my heart. People like that shouldn't own pets. :sad:
I went to Mallampati and he was great. We now go to Dr. Rogers and love him. When I got my dog, my serious "animal lover" friends all directed me to Mallampati because of his great vet skills, his people-friendly bed-side manner, and obvious love for animals. I HIGHLY doubt that man was in any way related or involved with anything not lawful or abusive towards any animal.
Okay, so the "Animal Killer" has been acquitted in by the MOL jury on Law and Order: Animal Victims Unit.
BONG bong!
BTW, I've heard tons of stories about dogs eating chocolate (usually around Easter:wink
And the story is usually just as uneventful. Anyone know of a dog that was actually in medical trouble from eating anything?
My dog ate a whole tube of Desinex, I paid the $50 for animal poison control, and they told me she'd be fine, which she was.
BONG bong!
BTW, I've heard tons of stories about dogs eating chocolate (usually around Easter:wink
And the story is usually just as uneventful. Anyone know of a dog that was actually in medical trouble from eating anything?My dog ate a whole tube of Desinex, I paid the $50 for animal poison control, and they told me she'd be fine, which she was.
Two soda cans. I paid for x-rays, which found tiny pieces which would be almost impossible to find in surgery and wouldn't cause any harm. There was nothing large enough to slice her up from the inside.
She outgrew her chewing stage, but I still keep the recycling out of reach.
She outgrew her chewing stage, but I still keep the recycling out of reach.
My dog once ate an entire bottle of tums. He was ok but he pooped chalk for a few days! It was rather funny!
My mom's dog once ate a box of ex-lax chocolate while she was away. Thankfully they didn't work.
My old dog once ate all of my sister's Halloween candy (mostly chocolate.) Our older brother got blamed for it until the dog had an "accident" laden with foil candy wrappers. The dog survived despite what everyone says about dogs and chocolate and my brother was vindicated.
From what I understand - these weren't the person's pets, they were kittens s/he had found, and wanted the doctor to find them homes, and then had a change of heart. but way to jump to conclusions.
From a VERY reliable source, Dr. Mallampati would not have taken in strays from a walk in without either John Vincent (the Maplewood Animal Control officer) or the JAC first vouching for the animal. Also, he would not have put down a stray without first consulting with John Vincent unless the animal was sick beyond help and in pain.
I also know that the JAC and Dr. Mallampati parted ways on bad terms, which may be behind some of these rumors.
I also know that the JAC and Dr. Mallampati parted ways on bad terms, which may be behind some of these rumors.
Good to know, spontaneous. As I said from the ver beginning, this is what I heard and I do not know the specifics.... which is WHY I asked Tr.
We still go to the Maplewood Animal Hospital. Dr. Mallampati, whom we liked, sold the practice to Dr. Rogers, and we also like Dr. Rogers.
My dog still has the ability to metabolize all dairy products, and he likes them all. Also, he is a greyhound and is very skinny and doesn't always finish his meals, so it seems that giving him cheese doesn't do him any harm. There's no danger of him overeating or getting fat in our home.
My dog still has the ability to metabolize all dairy products, and he likes them all. Also, he is a greyhound and is very skinny and doesn't always finish his meals, so it seems that giving him cheese doesn't do him any harm. There's no danger of him overeating or getting fat in our home.
Posted By: flugermongersAs I said from the ver[y] beginning, this is what I heard and I do not know the specifics.... which is WHY I asked Tr.No, at the very beginning you said that cheese was bad for dogs and that the vet was an "animal murderer."
0 for 2 apparently.
In flugermongers defense, I also love animals and if I heard the story like that going around, and if I didn't know anything else about the veterinarian in question (giving me no insight into his character) I'd also probably be outraged.
Most everyone at one time or another, myself included, has posted or said something that they thought was true, but later found out to not be so. If it's okay with everyone, how about we just drop the subject.
Getting back to dogs eating things they shouldn't, about 20 years ago our cairn terrier ate one of those huge novelty Hershey Kisses. A former in-law had a dalmatian that ate a whole bag of regular sized Hershey Kisses (foil and all!!!) Both dogs were fine, though the dalmatian had some funky wrappings in his poo:shocked: It seems that milk chocolate is still bad for dogs, but the cocoa concentration is low enough that it most likely won't kill them. Baking chocolate and dark chocolates, on the other hand, are [i]so[/i] concentrated that it's much easier to kill the dog with.
A few years ago at my Aunt's house, the pug got a few crumbs of chocolate cake from the floor (literally less than 1/4 teaspoon's worth) and she was freaking out that the chocolate was going to poison him. While chocolate is bad for dogs, and in [i]large doses, or concentrated doses[/i] can kill them, it isn't exactly cyanide either.
Most everyone at one time or another, myself included, has posted or said something that they thought was true, but later found out to not be so. If it's okay with everyone, how about we just drop the subject.
Getting back to dogs eating things they shouldn't, about 20 years ago our cairn terrier ate one of those huge novelty Hershey Kisses. A former in-law had a dalmatian that ate a whole bag of regular sized Hershey Kisses (foil and all!!!) Both dogs were fine, though the dalmatian had some funky wrappings in his poo:shocked: It seems that milk chocolate is still bad for dogs, but the cocoa concentration is low enough that it most likely won't kill them. Baking chocolate and dark chocolates, on the other hand, are [i]so[/i] concentrated that it's much easier to kill the dog with.
A few years ago at my Aunt's house, the pug got a few crumbs of chocolate cake from the floor (literally less than 1/4 teaspoon's worth) and she was freaking out that the chocolate was going to poison him. While chocolate is bad for dogs, and in [i]large doses, or concentrated doses[/i] can kill them, it isn't exactly cyanide either.
Thanks spon - but to be fair - no one has proven the situation one way or the other. Some people at the JAC have some bad things about them (I'm only thinking about 2 people, no idea if they're even there anymore), so it could have been false. Don't know what eponymous' problem is, I see the second post as the very beginning - AND I still stand by the fact that I heard on the Today show a list of bad food for dogs, and one of them was cheese. I remember talking to my mother about it. I don't have that bad a memory, it was last week! For cats, milk products can hurt them very much so, which is ironic, considering the whole milk/cat thing. And yes, I think, in the case of health and well-being, sometimes something you heard is worth mentioning.
My dog once ate an entire chocolate cake - though he left us one slice. Other insane things on the list? Aluminum foil (very funny poops), tampax, and a plastic bag.
My dog once ate an entire chocolate cake - though he left us one slice. Other insane things on the list? Aluminum foil (very funny poops), tampax, and a plastic bag.
Sep 10, 2007 at 7:18pm Edited
I always wondered about that chocolate thing. I found this:
Basically, some dogs will start to vomit at about 1 oz of milk chocolate for every 5 pounds of dog. So, a 50 pound dog would have to eat 10 oz to have a problem. Keep in mind that many dogs don't experience problems at this level apparently. Toxic doses are 5-10x higher.
(Humans metabolize the toxic theobromine much faster than other animals - luckily. :smile
[Edited to add "milk".]
Basically, some dogs will start to vomit at about 1 oz of milk chocolate for every 5 pounds of dog. So, a 50 pound dog would have to eat 10 oz to have a problem. Keep in mind that many dogs don't experience problems at this level apparently. Toxic doses are 5-10x higher.
(Humans metabolize the toxic theobromine much faster than other animals - luckily. :smile
[Edited to add "milk".]
Um, looked interesting, but very hard to read. A little easier on the brain...
(http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/254419/death_by_chocolate_a_myth_buster_that.html)
From that website, according to the ASPCA a lethal dose of chocolate for a 50lb dog is 9oz. Other sources (they don't say who) state that it may be 5x as high. I side with the other studies (assuming that the ASPCA is lowering the number to be on the safe side) since I've seen two separate dogs eat a much higher amount than listed by the ASPCA and suffer nothing more than diarrhea.
The cairn terrier I mentioned ate a large Hershey Kiss, which is 7oz of solid milk chocolate. I'm not sure exactly what he weighed, but they usually weigh less than 20lbs, so by ASPCA standards he ate nearly twice the lethal dose of milk chocolate.
I'm not sure of the exact weight of a bag of Hershey's Kisses, but I believe it's 12oz. An average dalmatian is about 60lbs or so. This would also make the combination "lethal" by ASPCA standards. Now I'll admit that two dogs getting into chocolate is by no means a scientific study, but I've heard other reports of dogs getting into chocolate and coming through intact. I'm not saying that it's fine to give Fido chocolate as a treat, but don't panic and induce vomiting just because your 100lb Rottie got 4 or 5 Hershey's Kisses either.
(http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/254419/death_by_chocolate_a_myth_buster_that.html)
From that website, according to the ASPCA a lethal dose of chocolate for a 50lb dog is 9oz. Other sources (they don't say who) state that it may be 5x as high. I side with the other studies (assuming that the ASPCA is lowering the number to be on the safe side) since I've seen two separate dogs eat a much higher amount than listed by the ASPCA and suffer nothing more than diarrhea.
The cairn terrier I mentioned ate a large Hershey Kiss, which is 7oz of solid milk chocolate. I'm not sure exactly what he weighed, but they usually weigh less than 20lbs, so by ASPCA standards he ate nearly twice the lethal dose of milk chocolate.
I'm not sure of the exact weight of a bag of Hershey's Kisses, but I believe it's 12oz. An average dalmatian is about 60lbs or so. This would also make the combination "lethal" by ASPCA standards. Now I'll admit that two dogs getting into chocolate is by no means a scientific study, but I've heard other reports of dogs getting into chocolate and coming through intact. I'm not saying that it's fine to give Fido chocolate as a treat, but don't panic and induce vomiting just because your 100lb Rottie got 4 or 5 Hershey's Kisses either.
So any theories as to why cheese is listed as "bad?" Maybe it's because it's high fat. I want to know if I should stop feeding it to my dog. I'm sure he can afford the fat, judging by his physique.
No Tom, don't stop feeding him cheese, if he digests it ok and he enjoys it.
I think it all springs from a lacto-phobic community.
Dog handlers use tiny bits of cheese for training treats. Dogs love the combination of the cream and salt.
I would let him have a little ice cream if he wanted it , too.
This stuff makes me wild!
Enjoy, Red!
Calli
I think it all springs from a lacto-phobic community.
Dog handlers use tiny bits of cheese for training treats. Dogs love the combination of the cream and salt.
I would let him have a little ice cream if he wanted it , too.
This stuff makes me wild!
Enjoy, Red!
Calli
lol i don't think anyone who knows me would call me lacto-phobic... rofl
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