The Rose Garden and White House happenings: the voters were listening

More Trump venom…hope this  opinion writer, who apparently hates poor, misunderstood dogs, gets some backlash from the poor readers…”mutt?” 

“There are lists of Donald Trump’s lies and lists of his alleged crimes. But the catalog of all the good things that have happened to the former president is equally unnerving. Every dog has its day, but Trump — no fan of dogs, BTW — has had far more good luck than the average mutt.

“Of course, the man was born lucky — into a life of wealth and privilege and with looks that some women apparently find attractive. Like many indulged heirs, he quickly dispensed with those gifts, wasting away his fortune like a 20th-century tristate re-creation of “A Rake’s Progress.” It could have easily curdled into squalor from there.

“But one fateful day, along came “The Apprentice,” visiting the sulky developer in his moldering office. As my colleagues Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig document in their new book, aptly titled “Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father’s Fortune and Created the Illusion of Success,” it was this improbable TV show that offered Trump a golden ticket out of bankruptcy and irrelevance, transforming him into a successful billionaire by pretending he actually was one.

“His lucky streak was only getting started.

In the last eight years alone, the period in which Donald Trump, Presidential Candidate, morphed from a complete joke into no joke at all, Trump has been visited by strokes of chance that would light up the eyes of even the most disillusioned gambler.”




Pamala Paul (the author of the latest column being quoted from) is one of the more conservative NY Times columnists, on a par with Ross Douthat and Bret Stephens (her ex-husband).


mtierney said:

More Trump venom…hope this  opinion writer, who apparently hates poor, misunderstood dogs, gets some backlash from the poor readers…”mutt?” 

“There are lists of Donald Trump’s lies and lists of his alleged crimes. But the catalog of all the good things that have happened to the former president is equally unnerving. Every dog has its day, but Trump — no fan of dogs, BTW — has had far more good luck than the average mutt.

“Of course, the man was born lucky — into a life of wealth and privilege and with looks that some women apparently find attractive. Like many indulged heirs, he quickly dispensed with those gifts, wasting away his fortune like a 20th-century tristate re-creation of “A Rake’s Progress.” It could have easily curdled into squalor from there.

“But one fateful day, along came “The Apprentice,” visiting the sulky developer in his moldering office. As my colleagues Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig document in their new book, aptly titled “Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father’s Fortune and Created the Illusion of Success,” it was this improbable TV show that offered Trump a golden ticket out of bankruptcy and irrelevance, transforming him into a successful billionaire by pretending he actually was one.

“His lucky streak was only getting started.

In the last eight years alone, the period in which Donald Trump, Presidential Candidate, morphed from a complete joke into no joke at all, Trump has been visited by strokes of chance that would light up the eyes of even the most disillusioned gambler.”



you misunderstood. You should have gone to the linked article. 

It's Trump who hates dogs. It's such a well-known fact about him it's banal to include it in the column. Apparently you're among the last persons who regularly read political news to discover this about the Donald. 


If this is “conservative”, I would hate to read her liberal views. At a time of two attempts to literally take the life of our former president failed, I hear a note of lhopeful thinking on the writer’s  part that voters get “a lucky break.”

from the link…

“Maybe it’s the luck of the devil or maybe it’s dumb luck. Either way, Trump, both a fan of and a failure at gambling, must know that everyone’s luck eventually runs out. The rest of us could certainly use a lucky break.”

Do  you think, for a minute, that  if Harris gets elected, and if she, for whatever reason,  cannot fulfill her duties, that Walz could ever step into the void that would be created at the White House and on the world stage? Who picked that self-proclaimed “knucklehead” any way? 



mtierney said:

If this is “conservative”, I would hate to read her liberal views. At a time of two attempts to literally take the life of our former president failed, I hear a note of lhopeful thinking on the writer’s  part that voters get “a lucky break.”

from the link…

“Maybe it’s the luck of the devil or maybe it’s dumb luck. Either way, Trump, both a fan of and a failure at gambling, must know that everyone’s luck eventually runs out. The rest of us could certainly use a lucky break.”

Do  you think, for a minute, that  if Harris gets elected, and if she, for whatever reason,  cannot fulfill her duties, that Walz could ever step into the void that would be created at the White House and on the world stage? Who picked that self-proclaimed “knucklehead” any way? 

Walz has been a very good and effective governor of MN. 

I would have no concerns about him becoming POTUS. 

Vance on the other hand is an extremist with no chief executive experience. 


mtierney said:

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this is by far the most insightful post you have ever written.


ml1 said:

Walz has been a very good and effective governor of MN. 

I would have no concerns about him becoming POTUS. 

Vance on the other hand is an extremist with no chief executive experience. 

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?


mtierney said:

ml1 said:

Walz has been a very good and effective governor of MN. 

I would have no concerns about him becoming POTUS. 

Vance on the other hand is an extremist with no chief executive experience. 

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?

From Minnesota Public Radio, about the state's response in Minneapolis: Guard mobilized quickly, adjusted on fly for Floyd unrest | MPR News -

[Minnesota National Guard leader, Maj. General Jon] Jensen drew bipartisan praise for his team’s work. Senate Minority Leader Susan Kent, DFL-Woodbury, said it was “reassuring” to have Guard members stationed in key places, including by hospitals.

Sen. Andrew Lang, R-Olivia, who has his own military experience, said the Guard was a “shining star” in a tough time.

“I always ask the question: Did you accomplish your mission? I can answer that one myself in saying absolutely you did,” he said. “You did so in a timely manner. You did so professionally.”

mtierney said:

ml1 said:

Walz has been a very good and effective governor of MN. 

I would have no concerns about him becoming POTUS. 

Vance on the other hand is an extremist with no chief executive experience. 

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/07/politics/trump-praised-walz-george-floyd-protests/index.html


ridski said:

mtierney said:

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/07/politics/trump-praised-walz-george-floyd-protests/index.html

I guess Trump's praise for Walz's response to the protests was quickly forgotten.


Time flies, but memory lingers…

From Google….Governor Tim Walz activated the Minnesota National Guard in response to civil unrest. The 7,123 troops activated represented the largest deployment of the state's forces since World War II.[35] By early June 2020, violence in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area had resulted in at least two deaths,[36]604 arrests, and more than $500 million[7] in damage to approximately 1,500 properties, the second-most destructive period of local unrest in U.S. history, after the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[37][8][38][39] Violent protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul over Floyd's murder largely subsided after May 30, 2020.[30][40] The Minnesota National Guard and a multi-jurisdiction government command that responded to the riots demobilized on June 7, 2020.[41][35]


mtierney said:

Time flies, but memory lingers…

From Google….Governor Tim Walz activated the Minnesota National Guard in response to civil unrest. The 7,123 troops activated represented the largest deployment of the state's forces since World War II.[35] By early June 2020, violence in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area had resulted in at least two deaths,[36]604 arrests, and more than $500 million[7] in damage to approximately 1,500 properties, the second-most destructive period of local unrest in U.S. history, after the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[37][8][38][39] Violent protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul over Floyd's murder largely subsided after May 30, 2020.[30][40] The Minnesota National Guard and a multi-jurisdiction government command that responded to the riots demobilized on June 7, 2020.[41][35]

This excerpt isn't criticizing Tim Walz.

Surely we can't have forgotten that criticism of Tim Walz is why the riots were mentioned in the first place.

mtierney said:

ml1 said:

Walz has been a very good and effective governor of MN. 

I would have no concerns about him becoming POTUS. 

Vance on the other hand is an extremist with no chief executive experience. 

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?


nohero said:

mtierney said:

Time flies, but memory lingers…

From Google….Governor Tim Walz activated the Minnesota National Guard in response to civil unrest. The 7,123 troops activated represented the largest deployment of the state's forces since World War II.[35] By early June 2020, violence in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area had resulted in at least two deaths,[36]604 arrests, and more than $500 million[7] in damage to approximately 1,500 properties, the second-most destructive period of local unrest in U.S. history, after the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[37][8][38][39] Violent protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul over Floyd's murder largely subsided after May 30, 2020.[30][40] The Minnesota National Guard and a multi-jurisdiction government command that responded to the riots demobilized on June 7, 2020.[41][35]

This excerpt isn't criticizing Tim Walz.

Surely we can't have forgotten that criticism of Tim Walz is why the riots were mentioned in the first place.

mtierney said:

ml1 said:

Walz has been a very good and effective governor of MN. 

I would have no concerns about him becoming POTUS. 

Vance on the other hand is an extremist with no chief executive experience. 

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?

I'd like to point out one factoid in the wiki entry which MAGAts conveniently forget about when they're screaming "why are the Jan 6 protestors in jail when the BLM protestors got off scot free?" , that 600 BLM protestors were arrested in Minneapolis alone, and thousands were arrested across the country.


When a ship flounders at sea, the captain gets the blame for failed, or delayed decisions at the helm. It is the same thing for Governors. The riots following George Floyd’s death, which erupted under Walz’ watch, revealed a long-ignored racist police policy which was allowed to fester in Minneapolis. 

 Can’t rewrite history, but we must learn from it.


mtierney said:

When a ship flounders at sea, the captain gets the blame for failed, or delayed decisions at the helm. It is the same thing for Governors. The riots following George Floyd’s death, which erupted under Walz’ watch, revealed a long-ignored racist police policy which was allowed to fester in Minneapolis. 

 Can’t rewrite history, but we must learn from it.

so you are blaming Walz for the "long-ignored" racism of the Minneapolis PD even though he'd been in office as governor only a year before Floyd's murder?

Your partisanship is so sad and pathetic. 


nohero said:

ridski said:

mtierney said:

Surely you can’t have forgotten the deaths, rioting and the burning of Minneapolis so quickly?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/07/politics/trump-praised-walz-george-floyd-protests/index.html

I guess Trump's praise for Walz's response to the protests was quickly forgotten.

from the article:

Walz first activated the Guard on May 28, three days after Floyd was killed, and the same day protesters lit the outside of the Minneapolis Police Department’s Third Precinct on fire.

The same day. 

Unless the partisan hacks think Walz should have been clairvoyant, he called in the National Guard as soon as it became necessary. 

Not for nothing but calling in the National Guard while protests are still peaceful is actually a recipe for escalating the violence, not preventing it. 



ml1 said:

mtierney said:

When a ship flounders at sea, the captain gets the blame for failed, or delayed decisions at the helm. It is the same thing for Governors. The riots following George Floyd’s death, which erupted under Walz’ watch, revealed a long-ignored racist police policy which was allowed to fester in Minneapolis. 

 Can’t rewrite history, but we must learn from it.

so you are blaming Walz for the "long-ignored" racism of the Minneapolis PD even though he'd been in office as governor only a year before Floyd's murder?

Your partisanship is so sad and pathetic. 

It's pure trolling. Not only does it ignore inconvenient facts such as that Walz had only been governor for 16 months, but it's a "pro-Trump" argument based upon complaining about "a long-ignored racist police policy".


ml1 said:

so you are blaming Walz for the "long-ignored" racism of the Minneapolis PD even though he'd been in office as governor only a year before Floyd's murder?

Your partisanship is so sad and pathetic. 

you forgot desperate


I’m desperate? Kamala is the one desperate here.


Oh my god... Democrats are running human beings for office! 


A match made in in haste, in the proverbial smoke-filled room.


In Butler yesterday…

Elon Musk stands with Donald Trump on the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania
Supporters at the Butler Farm Show as Donald Trump speaks
Photograph: Will Oliver/EPA

Many rallygoers echoed Trump’s claim that God saved him in order to save the country. Rodney Moreland, 66, retired from various jobs including welding, truck driving and security, said: “I don’t know if you believe in God but there was an angel around him that day, absolutely. After that happened his demeanour, everything changed about him. Now he’s calm, cool and collected and he’s known what words to say.”

But Moreland warned of a possible backlash to the election result. “If it goes the opposite direction, there’s going to be a war. The last election was rigged. They said, we cannot have him stay in office again.”

Kristi Masemer, 52, a Walmart worker, wearing a T-shirt that said “I’m still a Trump girl. I make no apologies”, criticised people who said they wished the would-be assassin had killed the former president.

“The amount of people who were like, ‘I’m sorry that he missed’. People actually said that about another human being. That’s the Democrat party. Are you kidding me? That’s not humanity. Who would think that?”

Masemer praised the restraint of Trump supporters after the assassination attempt. “The best part of all that was the people in the Maga movement after that didn’t riot. We didn’t lash back at these people because we’re not haters. We just want our country back and that’s it.”

Butler county, on the western edge of a coveted presidential swing state, is a rural-suburban community and a Trump stronghold. He won the county with about 66% of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. About 57% of Butler county’s 139,000 registered voters are Republicans, compared with about 29% who are Democrats and 14% other parties.

Jana Anderson, 62, who works at an animal shelter, said: “I don’t think a woman should be president, only because it’s always been men. I’m a woman but I think men should lead the country, not a woman. Women, in my opinion, are wishy washy. I mean, she says a lot of things, she promises a lot of things, but I don’t know if she’s capable of doing those things.”



    mtierney said:

    From Politico on Butler rally yesterday..

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/05/trump-return-butler-shooting-00182597

    January 6th, 2021 - the ultimate election interference.


    to anyone wondering - charges of election interference by R's are simply a way to divert attention from the actual election interference that they are putting in place across the country at the state level.

    if they're not lying, they're projecting. it's all they got.


    mtierney said:

    In Butler yesterday…

    Elon Musk stands with Donald Trump on the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania
    Supporters at the Butler Farm Show as Donald Trump speaks
    Photograph: Will Oliver/EPA

    Many rallygoers echoed Trump’s claim that God saved him in order to save the country. Rodney Moreland, 66, retired from various jobs including welding, truck driving and security, said: “I don’t know if you believe in God but there was an angel around him that day, absolutely. After that happened his demeanour, everything changed about him. Now he’s calm, cool and collected and he’s known what words to say.”

    But Moreland warned of a possible backlash to the election result. “If it goes the opposite direction, there’s going to be a war. The last election was rigged. They said, we cannot have him stay in office again.”

    Kristi Masemer, 52, a Walmart worker, wearing a T-shirt that said “I’m still a Trump girl. I make no apologies”, criticised people who said they wished the would-be assassin had killed the former president.

    “The amount of people who were like, ‘I’m sorry that he missed’. People actually said that about another human being. That’s the Democrat party. Are you kidding me? That’s not humanity. Who would think that?”

    Masemer praised the restraint of Trump supporters after the assassination attempt. “The best part of all that was the people in the Maga movement after that didn’t riot. We didn’t lash back at these people because we’re not haters. We just want our country back and that’s it.”

    Butler county, on the western edge of a coveted presidential swing state, is a rural-suburban community and a Trump stronghold. He won the county with about 66% of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. About 57% of Butler county’s 139,000 registered voters are Republicans, compared with about 29% who are Democrats and 14% other parties.

    Jana Anderson, 62, who works at an animal shelter, said: “I don’t think a woman should be president, only because it’s always been men. I’m a woman but I think men should lead the country, not a woman. Women, in my opinion, are wishy washy. I mean, she says a lot of things, she promises a lot of things, but I don’t know if she’s capable of doing those things.”

      Thanks for sharing examples of the dangerous lies being spread in order to help Trump. Just another reason why people should vote against him to ensure he doesn’t win the Presidency again. 


      mtierney said:

      From Politico on Butler rally yesterday..

      https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/05/trump-return-butler-shooting-00182597

      Can you remind me what your chosen party has done to make it harder for people to get high powered weapons and kill people at public events?*

      *eg rallies, schools, festivals, supermarkets, streets...


      nohero said:

      Ponder this ...

      Trump’s Speeches, Increasingly Angry and Rambling, Reignite the Question of Age

      Article unlocked, includes illustrative video.

      Peter Baker inexplicably awakens from his years long slumber...


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