What exactly is the purpose of the police?

mtierney said:

Always want to be fair, Ridski, to you and others. Crime in the eyes of many only happens in other neighborhoods, not theirs. Talk here has tended  toward  denial of the rise in random crime; the absurdity of defunding the police.  At the same time, the failure of prosecutors to keep repeat offenders off the street, along with redefining of what constitutes a crime, have put revolving doors on the justice system. 

And, to correct your zinger at me, personally, I do, indeed, care about the victims of crime. Whether the attacks on elderly Asians, or the baby with a bullet in her brain, or the subway rider pushed in front of train, this is no way to live and cannot be excusable nor acceptable in America.

I think I have “made my point”. So, your response is to keep local crime quiet? Of course, and  blame the police when it does. Got it.

You came on here and asked if we "know more about the 3 armed robberies which took place in Maplewood Saturday?" and I provided a link to our local news' website telling you everything we know about it. What am I keeping quiet?

You're making a political statement. If you really wanted to know more about these incidents you'd ask in Maplewood Specific or Virtual Cafe and start your own thread. 


In other words, bury it.


ridski said:

You came on here and asked if we "know more about the 3 armed robberies which took place in Maplewood Saturday?" and I provided a link to our local news' website telling you everything we know about it. What am I keeping quiet?

You're making a political statement. If you really wanted to know more about these incidents you'd ask in Maplewood Specific or Virtual Cafe and start your own thread. 

mtierney said:

In other words, bury it.

Starting a discussion in "Maplewood Specific" about a crime that occurred in Maplewood (which then would appear on the "front page" of MOL) is the opposite of "burying it".


mtierney said:

In other words, bury it.

So, if we are aren't clutching our pearls round the clock, we are burying news about this recent spate of muggings.   Oh dear, I feel faint.

Truth be told - and I know you didn't get the Fox News cartoon on this - I think the MPD actually does a pretty decent job.


mtierney said:

In other words, bury it.

You’re right. Those are other words.


mtierney said:

In other words, bury it.

I rest my case.


ridski said:

mtierney said:

In other words, bury it.

I rest my case.

Rest in peace.


In the 20 years I've been on MOL, this is one of the most persistent ongoing themes.  A crime occurs that gets some notice in the local press, and one of the right wingers comes to this board and starts going on about the crime wave, and how dangerous Maplewood is becoming, etc., etc.

and then when other people don't freak out, and point out (rightly) that SOMA is still a safe place to live, and actually has less crime than it did in the 90s, we get the same response.  The right wingers lose their **** and hit us with their metaphor shower:

All you libs! It ain't just a river in Africa, where you're putting on your rose-colored glasses and burying your heads in the sand, while you bury the story! 

And then there are no other notorious crimes for months or years until the next one.  Then once again, the right wingers lose their minds because they're the only ones freaking out.


The crime rate in Brick nj. Is about 10 times higher than maplewood. Just recently someone was shot in a road rage incident. The crazy drivers under the influence of narcotics can literally crash into the same house twice in the span of two weeks. Ocean county crime is enough for some people to clutch their pearls… but they suffer with MDS


Jaytee said:

The crime rate in Brick nj. Is about 10 times higher than maplewood. Just recently someone was shot in a road rage incident. The crazy drivers under the influence of narcotics can literally crash into the same house twice in the span of two weeks. Ocean county crime is enough for some people to clutch their pearls… but they suffer with MDS

Ocean Twp. is actually in Monmouth County grin

But yeah, isn't that crazy that cars crashed through the same house twice?  Last time, the car ended up going completely through, out the other side, and into Deal Lake.


ml1 said:

Ocean Twp. is actually in Monmouth County
grin

But yeah, isn't that crazy that cars crashed through the same house twice?  Last time, the car ended up going completely through, out the other side, and into Deal Lake.

There are two Ocean Townships, one in Monmouth and one in Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Monmouth_County,_New_Jersey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Ocean_County,_New_Jersey


I've been reading about crime in Ocean Twp. Can't believe there isn't more outrage.


ridski said:

ml1 said:

Ocean Twp. is actually in Monmouth County
grin

But yeah, isn't that crazy that cars crashed through the same house twice?  Last time, the car ended up going completely through, out the other side, and into Deal Lake.

There are two Ocean Townships, one in Monmouth and one in Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Monmouth_County,_New_Jersey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Ocean_County,_New_Jersey

that's dumb.


drummerboy said:

ridski said:

ml1 said:

Ocean Twp. is actually in Monmouth County
grin

But yeah, isn't that crazy that cars crashed through the same house twice?  Last time, the car ended up going completely through, out the other side, and into Deal Lake.

There are two Ocean Townships, one in Monmouth and one in Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Monmouth_County,_New_Jersey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Ocean_County,_New_Jersey

that's dumb.

Well, there's this ocean right there, see?

South Jersey can be unoriginal with place names.  For example, Cape May County has Upper Township, Middle Township, and Lower Township. Yes, they go from north to south, in a row.


nohero said:

Well, there's this ocean right there, see?

South Jersey can be unoriginal with place names.  For example, Cape May County has Upper Township, Middle Township, and Lower Township. Yes, they go from north to south, in a row.

And yet there’s no North Orange. Opportunity missed.


ridski said:

ml1 said:

Ocean Twp. is actually in Monmouth County
grin

But yeah, isn't that crazy that cars crashed through the same house twice?  Last time, the car ended up going completely through, out the other side, and into Deal Lake.

There are two Ocean Townships, one in Monmouth and one in Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Monmouth_County,_New_Jersey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Township,_Ocean_County,_New_Jersey

the one with the car crashes is definitely Monmouth, because that's where Deal Lake is grin


ridski said:

nohero said:

Well, there's this ocean right there, see?

South Jersey can be unoriginal with place names.  For example, Cape May County has Upper Township, Middle Township, and Lower Township. Yes, they go from north to south, in a row.

And yet there’s no North Orange. Opportunity missed.

when I was at Rutgers, I always thought the same about West Brunswick


ml1 said:

ridski said:

nohero said:

Well, there's this ocean right there, see?

South Jersey can be unoriginal with place names.  For example, Cape May County has Upper Township, Middle Township, and Lower Township. Yes, they go from north to south, in a row.

And yet there’s no North Orange. Opportunity missed.

when I was at Rutgers, I always thought the same about West Brunswick

And North Brunswick is south of New Brunswick.  That's sick.


nohero said:

And North Brunswick is south of New Brunswick.  That's sick.

really. I lived in a Rutgers apartment on the southernmost part of the Cook campus. It was in North Brunswick  vampire


WTAF?


Death by firing squad. Looks like this guy was looking for the police to carry out his suicide.

drummerboy said:

WTAF?


Anti-tax attitudes defund the police, lead to bridge collapse:

https://whyy.org/articles/pa-fuel-tax-meant-for-bridge-repair-went-to-state-police-instead/

PA state police budget isn't properly funded since no one wants to actually pay what it costs, so they make up the shortfall by taking funds meant to maintain roads and bridges.

Over and over, seems to be that while the Left may have the slogan, it's the anti-tax Right that's actually running on defunding the police.


Who would you call if you heard someone break into your home?


mtierney said:

Who would you call if you heard someone break into your home?

Sure would be nice if we lived in a country where a person breaking in was less likely to have a gun. And if I didn't have to weigh the odds that if I called the police, they might accidentally shoot me or a family member.


PVW.. if that is your reflection over the deaths of two officers, I truly feel sorry for your lack of compassion and humanity. Yes, the people around the world suffer wanton deaths every day, but if we can’t spend a minute to acknowledge the passing of two young men who gave up their lives to protect others, well, there is nothing much to say. 


https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/us/nypd-officer-rivera-widow/index.html


mtierney said:

PVW.. if that is your reflection over the deaths of two officers, I truly feel sorry for your lack of compassion and humanity. Yes, the people around the world suffer wanton deaths every day, but if we can’t spend a minute to acknowledge the passing of two young men who gave up their lives to protect others, well, there is nothing much to say. 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/us/nypd-officer-rivera-widow/index.html

It was a response to your comment, which was itself clearly unrelated to the pictures you posted.


PVW said:

Sure would be nice if we lived in a country where a person breaking in was less likely to have a gun. And if I didn't have to weigh the odds that if I called the police, they might accidentally shoot me or a family member.

how often are police called to respond to a stranger breaking into a house when the occupants are at home?

I'm guessing very rarely. 


ml1 said:

how often are police called to respond to a stranger breaking into a house when the occupants are at home?

I'm guessing very rarely.

Some dated national estimates, from 2003-07: The annual average of residential burglaries was 3.7 million. Someone from the household was present in 28% of them: 1 million. In 24% percent of those, the culprit was confirmed to be a stranger: 240,000.

Of those 240,000, how many times did an occupant call the police? Since the figures are based on the National Crime Victimization Survey, and not on police data, your guess is as good as mine.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf


DaveSchmidt said:

Some dated national estimates, from 2003-07: The annual average of residential burglaries was 3.7 million. Someone from the household was present in 28% of them: 1 million. In 24% percent of those, the culprit was confirmed to be a stranger: 240,000.

Of those 240,000, how many times did an occupant call the police? Since the figures are based on the National Crime Victimization Survey, and not on police data, your guess is as good as mine.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf

And if you can tie that to the photos mt posted from the funeral for the two NYPD officers killed, your guess is better than mine.


Is it only me who finds the massive turnout for these officers a little, I don't know, creepy?

Of course their deaths were a tragedy and should be honored, but this all strikes me as a bit performative. Meant less to honor the dead then to impress the public about the danger of being a police officer.

(I'm sure this comment will go over big.)


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