The end of Roe. (no more question mark)

nohero said:

Justice Thomas concurring in today's decision.

"For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” Ramos v. Louisiana, 590 U. S. ___, ___ (2020) (THOMAS, J., concurring in judgment) (slip op., at 7), we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents, Gamble v. United States, 587 U. S. ___, ___ (2019) (THOMAS, J., concurring) (slip op., at 9). After overruling these demonstrably erroneous decisions, the question would remain whether other constitutional provisions guarantee the myriad rights that our substantive due process cases have generated." [Emphasis added]

19-1392 Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization (06/24/2022) (supremecourt.gov) (at p. 3 of Thomas concurrence)

[Edited to add]

Griswold is the contraception case.
Lawrence made it unconstitutional to criminalize homosexuality.
Obergefell is marriage equality.

There was no need for Thomas to put that in the decision.

He messaged bring us cases affecting the above. He just can't wait to correct past "mistakes."

Who would have known that Thomas shows as the leading light in this SC, possibly affecting a generation.

Is it likely that his decisions are handed to him by the Federalist Society via Ginni?


terp said:

sbenois said:

Congratulations to the lowlife imbeciles who insisted that there was no difference between Hillary and Trump.

Nobody is coming to take your contraceptives.

@terp  And you are sure of this because?  It wasn't so long ago that nobody really thought that Roe v. Wade would ever be overturned.


mjc said:

"Nobody is coming to take your contraceptives."

Remains to be seen.  It wasn't a recognized right at the time the Bill of Rights (or 14th? Amendment) was passed, was it?

As a side thought, does anyone ever consider that the reason why some personal or medical issues weren't enumerated as rights, is that no one at the time imagined the government had any business at all opining in those areas?

Clarence Thomas thinks the court should reconsider Griswold vs Connecticut. 

Contraception is in jeopardy.


terp said:

sbenois said:

Congratulations to the lowlife imbeciles who insisted that there was no difference between Hillary and Trump.

Nobody is coming to take your contraceptives.

Did you actually read the majority opinion?  Where Alito states: "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences."  Roe was based upon a line of cases going to back to, you guessed it, Griswold, which relied on a right to privacy.  Basically, the right of a consenting adult to act independently - that thing that libertarians purport to crave.

How about this part:  "The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly  protected by any constitutional provision, including the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely—the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be “deeply  rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.”  Well, I checked - couldn't find the word "contraception" in there, either.  I also don't recall from my study of history that the birth control pill was even available in 1776 (or 1787 or 1791, depending upon which date Clarence Thomas deems relevant).  Guess chastity belts will be back in vogue.


GoSlugs said:

RTrent said:

The network of abusive Republicans who stick together excusing their behavior. Their anti-choice or forced birth movement which is conferring second class status upon women. The treatment of abused women who dare to speak out and therefore are labeled as liars, opportunists or simply not credible.

The "Forced Birth Movement".  This is excellent.  As has been noted everywhere, the "Pro Life" with its penchant for supporting the death penalty is a literal contradiction in terms.  Forced Birth Movement is not only more resonant, it is much more accurate.

Words have meaning. How you use and choose them can be more effective an argument's logic.

I saw pro choice protestors shouting "pro-abortion". I saw use of "anti-abortion."

Those who are pro choice should adopt "Pro Choice" language and signage while labeling their opposition as "Forced Birthers." Confront "Forced Birthers" by shouting as such to them. 

Anti-abortion is the messaging into the public's mind of the we're saving babies from those abortionists. Forced birth is a messaging of women being forced to give birth.


terp said:

Nobody is coming to take your contraceptives.

You of all people might want to sit this one out, dude.


I hate this timeline.


just. amazingly. stupid.


Where in the Constitution does it say that their is a "right to marry"? If  State enacts a law making it a crime, as it once was in many States, for people of different races to marry how would "Justice" Thomas vote?

Another thought: Thomas is the most significant legacy of President George H.W. Bush who everyone thinks was a great guy.


STANV said:

Another thought: Thomas is the most significant legacy of President George H.W. Bush who everyone thinks was a great guy.

It's not just GHWB's legacy. If only Biden had listened to Anita Hill.


STANV said:

Where in the Constitution does it say that their is a "right to marry"? If  State enacts a law making it a crime, as it once was in many States, for people of different races to marry how would "Justice" Thomas vote?

Another thought: Thomas is the most significant legacy of President George H.W. Bush who everyone thinks was a great guy.

Also of Joe Biden who as Chair pushed Thomas through the Judiciary Committee by disregarding and trivializing Anita Hill.

ps - just saw your comment, GoSlugs


RTrent said:

ps - just saw your comment, GoSlugs


AND if RBG had retired under Obama…  gulp

GoSlugs said:

STANV said:

Another thought: Thomas is the most significant legacy of President George H.W. Bush who everyone thinks was a great guy.

It's not just GHWB's legacy. If only Biden had listened to Anita Hill.


Where are some good places to donate to support women hurt by the decision to overturn Roe? 


Jasmo said:

Where are some good places to donate to support women hurt by the decision to overturn Roe? 

Perhaps Planned Parenthood. Suggesting that since Yellow Rose Vegan Bakery in SOMA posted that all proceeds from yesterday's sales were going to PP. 


Lots of confusing statements from Governor of South Dakota Kristi Noem on Face the Nation about the abortion pill. She insists it needs to be administered under a doctor's supervision but does not suggest that SD will allow it. Margaret Brennan was at a disadvantage with Gov. Noem not being in the studio which allowed her to continue to speak over Brennan's questions. Brennan raised the issue of privacy protections involving mail but hey, privacy does not seem to be on the menu.


drummerboy said:

just. amazingly. stupid.

Who is that nut job?


yahooyahoo said:

Who is that nut job?

Utah State Rep. Karianne Lisonbee

apparently she is very busy today apologizing for speaking her mind.


The Forced Birther's are really ramping up -

On the day that Roe v. Wade was struck down, Mississippi House Speaker Philip Gunn (R) was asked whether the state’s restrictive law banning almost all abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy would apply to 12-year-old girls who are victims of incest.
-
After a journalist asked Gunn again whether a “12-year-old child molested by her family members should carry that pregnancy to term,” the speaker confirmed that’s what he believed was right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/30/abortion-incest-mississippi-pregnancy-gunn/


Biden is apparently going to appoint an anti-abortion judge in KY as part of some deal with McConnell.

I realize you have to make deals sometimes, but this looks horrible for Biden.

Infuriating.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/biden-federal-judgeship-kentucky-conservative-anti-abortion-lawyer/index.html


drummerboy said:

Biden is apparently going to appoint an anti-abortion judge in KY as part of some deal with McConnell.

I realize you have to make deals sometimes, but this looks horrible for Biden.

Infuriating.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/biden-federal-judgeship-kentucky-conservative-anti-abortion-lawyer/index.html

It does look horrible for him. I was discussing it with a friend and it segued into a conversation about whether or not Biden will be challenged in the next election by another Dem. I could see it happening. Not sure if a challenger would be successful but the idea of him not running again appeals to me.

I don't say that with any malice, just not seeing him as a two term president.


Your phone, text messages or emails can be dangerous:

The primary digital threat for people who take abortion pills is the actual evidence of intention stored on your phone, in the form of texts, emails, and search/web history. Cynthia Conti-Cook’s incredible article “Surveilling the Digital Abortion Diary"  details what we know now about how digital evidence has been used to prosecute women who have been pregnant. That evidence includes search engine history, as in the case of the prosecution of Latice Fisher in Mississippi. As Conti-Cook says, Ms. Fisher “conduct[ed] internet searches, including how to induce a miscarriage, ‘buy abortion pills, mifepristone online, misoprostol online,’ and ‘buy misoprostol abortion pill online,'” and then purchased misoprostol online. Those searches were the evidence that she intentionally induced a miscarriage. Text messages are also often used in prosecutions, as they were in the prosecution of Purvi Patel, also discussed in Conti-Cook’s article.

These examples are why advice from reproductive access experts like Kate
Bertash focuses on securing text messages (use Signal and auto-set
messages to disappear) and securing search queries (use a
privacy-focused web browser, and use DuckDuckGo or turn Google search
history off).

ps - also use private encrypted email (not Gmail).

https://medium.com/@Kendra_Serra/fear-uncertainty-and-period-trackers-340ab8fdff74


drummerboy said:

Biden is apparently going to appoint an anti-abortion judge in KY as part of some deal with McConnell.

I realize you have to make deals sometimes, but this looks horrible for Biden.

Infuriating.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/biden-federal-judgeship-kentucky-conservative-anti-abortion-lawyer/index.html

Biden hasn't been a bargain. He did push Clarence Thomas though his judiciary hearings.

And now this, his lackadaisical response to the forced birthers -

Joe Biden’s Dobbs Response Has Been Breathtakingly Awful


RTrent said:

And now this, his lackadaisical response to the forced birthers -

Joe Biden’s Dobbs Response Has Been Breathtakingly Awful

Biden's response is not "shouty", but it's focused on what can actually be done.


nohero said:

RTrent said:

And now this, his lackadaisical response to the forced birthers -

Joe Biden’s Dobbs Response Has Been Breathtakingly Awful

Biden's response is not "shouty", but it's focused on what can actually be done.

rtrent's point, which I agree with, is that Biden's response didn't seem to have a lot of urgency to it. They've known for some time Roe was a goner and yet it was like they were caught flat-footed. There is no reason on earth that they didn't have a response ready the day the decision was announced.


An Australian tourist passing through the US on her way to Canada to housesit was quizzed about her abortion history and deported. Yep, not allowed to to leave the airport and sent home after 5 hours. 
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/13/have-you-recently-had-an-abortion-australian-transiting-through-us-questioned-then-deported


joanne said:

An Australian tourist passing through the US on her way to Canada to housesit was quizzed about her abortion history and deported. Yep, not allowed to to leave the airport and sent home after 5 hours. 
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/13/have-you-recently-had-an-abortion-australian-transiting-through-us-questioned-then-deported

the abortion questioning was clearly harassment, but that's not why she was deported.


Understand what you’re saying, however she had completed the other required paperwork and the correct visa, pre-printed which was suddenly deemed unsuitable. (This is not uncommon for southern hemisphere travellers).

As you say, the personal questions were highly inappropriate and were designed to intimidate.


drummerboy said:

Biden is apparently going to appoint an anti-abortion judge in KY as part of some deal with McConnell.

I realize you have to make deals sometimes, but this looks horrible for Biden.

Infuriating.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/biden-federal-judgeship-kentucky-conservative-anti-abortion-lawyer/index.html

Biden dropped the nomination. Not because he's forced birther, but because Rand Paul objected.

WASHINGTON — The White House is abandoning plans to nominate a Kentucky
lawyer who opposes abortion rights and is backed by Senator Mitch
McConnell to a federal court seat, citing opposition from Senator Rand
Paul, Mr. McConnell’s home-state colleague.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/us/politics/biden-mcconnell-judge-abortion.html


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