"Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between 'the Jews' (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of 'the Jews,' especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
"It’s essential as we read today’s Gospel and, later on, the Passion narratives to remember the words of the Second Vatican Council’s beautiful document 'Nostra Aetate': 'In her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone'."
"Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between 'the Jews' (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of 'the Jews,' especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
"It’s essential as we read today’s Gospel and, later on, the Passion narratives to remember the words of the Second Vatican Council’s beautiful document 'Nostra Aetate': 'In her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone'."
Some folks choose not to recognize the centuries of persecution and death suffered by the Judaeo-Christian faithful down through the centuries, and the discrimination continues in MOLand today.
Edited to clarify: My real thoughts, not the kind of thoughts and prayers that conservatives promise when they are telling the victims of gun violence to go to hell. I typed the above and was instantly horrified to see how insincerely it read. What is wrong with this world?
Looks like he's back to Poping.
Pope Francis visits children in the Gemelli hospital and brings them rosaries, chocolate eggs and copies of a book about the birth of Jesus (Nacque Gesù e Betlemme di Giudea”)
During the visit he baptised Miguel Angel, who is just a few weeks old
Some folks choose not to recognize the centuries of persecution and death suffered by the Judaeo-Christian faithful down through the centuries, and the discrimination continues in MOLand today.
This statement seems intentionally misleading. When we talk about the persecution of "judeo christians" over the last 1,000 years, it is important to make clear that we are mainly talking about the persecution of Jews by Christians. Let's remember that, up until 60 years ago, the Catholic Church portrayed Jews as unwilling to accept the word of God, as agents of the devil, and as murderers of Jesus.
It is easy (or, at least, it should be easy) to condemn the Holocaust but we should never forget that millions of Jews had already been murdered by European Christians in the centuries before Hitler came to power.
When we talk about pogroms against the Jews, we are, of course, not even addressing the millions of non Christians in the Americas who were either killed or forced to convert to Christianity.
"Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between 'the Jews' (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of 'the Jews,' especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
"It’s essential as we read today’s Gospel and, later on, the Passion narratives to remember the words of the Second Vatican Council’s beautiful document 'Nostra Aetate': 'In her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone'."
Some folks choose not to recognize the centuries of persecution and death suffered by the Judaeo-Christian faithful down through the centuries, and the discrimination continues in MOLand today.
I won't say that's the worst possible response to what I posted, but it's right up there with the pretty bad.
I am sure that the countless Jews who died as a result of the Church's teachings (about the role of the Jews in the crucifixion) will be relieved to know that, in the end, the real victim was mtierney.
Perhaps, when the sun comes up in Australia, Joanne will be able to respond to this more effectively (or, at least, in a way that mtierney will hear).
The last day of March is also the anniversary of the signing of the Alhambra Decree, to burn Jews refusing conversion to Christianity, by Spain’s King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1491. Note that Jewish people had lived there for over 1000 years by then. But, as Monty Python so eloquently phrased it, ‘nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition’.
(I hadn’t read any other replies when I posted this)
Some folks choose not to recognize the centuries of persecution and death suffered by the Judaeo-Christian faithful down through the centuries, and the discrimination continues in MOLand today.
Maybe it was the money changers who were pissed off with JC since he overturned their trading tables in the temple… he was too “woke” for the times…kinda like today’s MAGATS who are tremendously pissed off at the “woke” New York district attorney… who also happens to have hair like soft cotton….and a tan.
Some readers of this thread might find the following clip interesting to watch, in light of recent comments. I certainly learnt a couple of things I hadn’t fully realised until now; I’m enjoying exploring this channel.
Also, I’m often asked - especially at this time of year, or at Christmas - how does Jesus figure in Judaism? He must be pretty important, right? And then total disbelief when I try to explain, well no, not really. So, again to address comments above (who killed Jesus?), and the relationship of Jesus/Christians to Judaism, may I invite you to watch:
Some readers of this thread might find the following clip interesting to watch, in light of recent comments. I certainly learnt a couple of things I hadn’t fully realised until now; I’m enjoying exploring this channel.
my great grandmother was Jewish from Portugal who ended up in Brazil. That is such an interesting history lesson, I knew some of it but she sums it up pretty well. I’m glad today I can say I’m a recovering Catholic.
Jesus stood before the governor, Pontius Pilate, who questioned him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" Jesus said, "You say so." And when he was accused by the chief priests and elders, he made no answer. Then Pilate said to him, "Do you not hear how many things they are testifying against you?" But he did not answer him one word, so that the governor was greatly amazed.
Now on the occasion of the feast the governor was accustomed to release to the crowd one prisoner whom they wished. And at that time they had a notorious prisoner called Barabbas. So when they had assembled, Pilate said to them, "Which one do you want me to release to you, Barabbas, or Jesus called Christ?" For he knew that it was out of envy that they had handed him over. While he was still seated on the bench, his wife sent him a message, "Have nothing to do with that righteous man. I suffered much in a dream today because of him." The chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas but to destroy Jesus. The governor said to them in reply, "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" They answered, "Barabbas!" Pilate said to them, "Then what shall I do with Jesus called Christ?" They all said, "Let him be crucified!" But he said, "Why? What evil has he done?" They only shouted the louder, "Let him be crucified!" When Pilate saw that he was not succeeding at all, but that a riot was breaking out instead, he took water and washed his hands in the sight of the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood. Look to it yourselves." And the whole people said in reply, "His blood be upon us and upon our children." Then he released Barabbas to them, but after he had Jesus scourged, he handed him over to be crucified.
Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus inside the praetorium and gathered the whole cohort around him. They stripped off his clothes and threw a scarlet military cloak about him. Weaving a crown out of thorns, they placed it on his head, and a reed in his right hand. And kneeling before him, they mocked him, saying, "Hail, King of the Jews!" They spat upon him and took the reed and kept striking him on the head. And when they had mocked him, they stripped him of the cloak, dressed him in his own clothes, and led him off to crucify him.
As they were going out, they met a Cyrenian named Simon; this man they pressed into service to carry his cross.
And when they came to a place called Golgotha — which means Place of the Skull —, they gave Jesus wine to drink mixed with gall. But when he had tasted it, he refused to drink. After they had crucified him, they divided his garments by casting lots; then they sat down and kept watch over him there. And they placed over his head the written charge against him: This is Jesus, the King of the Jews. Two revolutionaries were crucified with him, one on his right and the other on his left. Those passing by reviled him, shaking their heads and saying, "You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself, if you are the Son of God, and come down from the cross!" Likewise the chief priests with the scribes and elders mocked him and said, "He saved others; he cannot save himself. So he is the king of Israel! Let him come down from the cross now, and we will believe in him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now if he wants him. For he said, 'I am the Son of God.'" The revolutionaries who were crucified with him also kept abusing him in the same way.
From noon onward, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. And about three o'clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Some of the bystanders who heard it said, "This one is calling for Elijah." Immediately one of them ran to get a sponge; he soaked it in wine, and putting it on a reed, gave it to him to drink. But the rest said, 'Wait, let us see if Elijah comes to save him." But Jesus cried out again in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit.
Here all kneel and pause for a short time.
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked, rocks were split, tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And coming forth from their tombs after his resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many. The centurion and the men with him who were keeping watch over Jesus feared greatly when they saw the earthquake and all that was happening, and they said, "Truly, this was the Son of God.”
.”speak quickly?” I became breathless listening to her!
If you're serious about watching this, you can click on the cog button at the bottom of the youtube window and change the Playback Speed to .75 or slower to slow her down.
If you're serious about watching this, you can click on the cog button at the bottom of the youtube window and change the Playback Speed to .75 or slower to slow her down.
When you are helpful, you are an MOL wunderkind. Will give it a go this afternoon.
Serious question for Nohero (mtierney could respond but I know she doesn't like to be questioned.)
So, Christians believe that God had the Romans kill his son because humanity was irredeemably sinful and could only be saved through this sacrifice. If we accept that, why didn't God send Jesus instead of Noah's Flood?
Serious question for Nohero (mtierney could respond but I know she doesn't like to be questioned.)
So, Christians believe that God had the Romans kill his son because humanity was irredeemably sinful and could only be saved through this sacrifice. If we accept that, why didn't God send Jesus instead of Noah's Flood?
The first answer to your serious question is that it makes an assumption about Christian belief in general. From a Catholic perspective, it's not that Jesus had to die, but that his life and teaching and example are the means chosen by God. Similarly, the early chapters of Genesis aren't necessarily to be taken literally so much as read as the way the teachings were conveyed through the people at the time they were written.
There's probably a better way to explain it, but that's what I've got right now.
The first answer to your serious question is that it makes an assumption about Christian belief in general. From a Catholic perspective, it's not that Jesus had to die, but that his life and teaching and example are the means chosen by God.
So, people could have been saved without Christ's sacrifice? Is that a widely held belief amongst Catholics? I (obviously) am not a Catholic but I've known more than a few and this is kind of news to me.
The first answer to your serious question is that it makes an assumption about Christian belief in general. From a Catholic perspective, it's not that Jesus had to die, but that his life and teaching and example are the means chosen by God.
So, people could have been saved without Christ's sacrifice? Is that a widely held belief amongst Catholics? I (obviously) am not a Catholic but I've known more than a few and this is kind of news to me.
What I'm saying is that God didn't have to choose that as part of the plan, unlike the suggestion that it had to be that way.
Jewish Messiah doesn’t need to die, which is part of the reason Judaism doesn’t accept Jesus as Messiah. Also, the ‘mission’ is not to ‘save’ people the way Christians talk of salvation. The mission includes reuniting scattered Jews and bringing all back to Jerusalem, so a new Temple can be rebuilt and sacrifice (of the heart this time, ie a personal recognition to be a better person all round) can be made on holy ground. A little bit less earthshaking than massive revelation or global floods
So, people could have been saved without Christ's sacrifice? Is that a widely held belief amongst Catholics? I (obviously) am not a Catholic but I've known more than a few and this is kind of news to me.
We don’t seem to do MOL-occasion greetings anymore. So I’ll quietly wish everyone here a Chag Pesach Sameach (happy Passover), and a peaceful, renewing Easter. May the good things about these festivals surround you and your families, and may you have help with the cooking and cleaning-up
We don’t seem to do MOL-occasion greetings anymore. So I’ll quietly wish everyone here a Chag Pesach Sameach (happy Passover), and a peaceful, renewing Easter. May the good things about these festivals surround you and your families, and may you have help with the cooking and cleaning-up
After all, we’re all members of the same mishpucha, and we should all apologize to everyone we have offended over the course of the last year, for being upset about their dumb posts. A few of you owe me an apology for being upset by my dumb posts…
It's a problem, as many have written about, for example Fr. James Martin -
No, ‘the Jews’ did not kill Jesus
"Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between 'the Jews' (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of 'the Jews,' especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
"It’s essential as we read today’s Gospel and, later on, the Passion narratives to remember the words of the Second Vatican Council’s beautiful document 'Nostra Aetate': 'In her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel’s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone'."