Should Breyer retire?

And then there's the issue of McConnell. Would he decide it was too close to the next election to approve anyone.


Morganna said:

And then there's the issue of McConnell. Would he decide it was too close to the next election to approve anyone.

 Well, that's the point. He has to resign while McConnell doesn't have the power to block.


Safe to say that Breyer is not in the majority on the issue of whether he should retire.


drummerboy said:

 Well, that's the point. He has to resign while McConnell doesn't have the power to block.

 I'm suggesting, a bit sarcastically, that McConnell would claim even now was to close to the election. He's in the majority and will not approve anyone that is not an R. He has the power to block now right? 


Morganna said:

drummerboy said:

 Well, that's the point. He has to resign while McConnell doesn't have the power to block.

 I'm suggesting, a bit sarcastically, that McConnell would claim even now was to close to the election. He's in the majority and will not approve anyone that is not an R. He has the power to block now right? 

 No, he's not in the majority now and he can't block it. If he was, he would claim any damn fool excuse to block.

This is why Breyer needs to resign now, while the iron is hot. The Dems are one unexpected death of a Senator away from losing the majority.  Lots of 70+ members in the Senate.

Speaking of which, Feinstein is someone else who should resign.


If Feinstein resigns Newsome picks an interim replacement. Not sure whether that would trigger a special election.

When is Feinstein's term up?

I asked and Googled. Term up at end of 2024. She has filed the preliminary papers to run for re-election. She will be 91 in 2024


drummerboy said:

 No, he's not in the majority now and he can't block it. If he was, he would claim any damn fool excuse to block.

This is why Breyer needs to resign now, while the iron is hot. The Dems are one unexpected death of a Senator away from losing the majority.  Lots of 70+ members in the Senate.

Speaking of which, Feinstein is someone else who should resign.

I spaced out there. Stuck in a time warp.

Yes, we need someone who will be on the court for years.


RBG should have resigned when Obama kinda gently hinted that it was the right time in history….it’s like deja vu all over again.


latest from Breyer



drummerboy said:

 Manchin is a Dem in a Republican state which  makes what he does at least understandable. It's either him or a Republican next election so I feel he believes he has few choices. And yes I think he is little help to the Dems.

But Breyer, I simply do not understand other than to think he is motivated by a selfish desire to hang onto his power despite the risk.

Term limits, age limits something please.



A person who has been active his (or her) career for their entire life doesn't face an end to that happily.


STANV said:

A person who has been active his (or her) career for their entire life doesn't face an end to that happily.

 millions of people retire every year. most well before they reach his age.

he needs to suck it up and go fishing.


STANV said:

A person who has been active his (or her) career for their entire life doesn't face an end to that happily.

 I get that but after the disaster that occurred when RBG suddenly died turning her spot over to ACB and the current anti choice momentum, plus the tight Senate balance, it should be a wake up call.

In this case no one is saying he should retire because he is at the end of his usefulness or because he might die in a few years but that someone in the Senate who plays for our team, just might.

He is welcome to hang his robes next to those Studio 54 outfits that hang in my closet, retired.


He's going to retire at the end of the 21-22 term.  It should highlight to the Dem voters the importance of turning out in November 2022.


Steve said:

He's going to retire at the end of the 21-22 term.  It should highlight to the Dem voters the importance of turning out in November 2022.

 And if they don't turn out and the Senate is lost?


jimmurphy said:

Steve said:

He's going to retire at the end of the 21-22 term.  It should highlight to the Dem voters the importance of turning out in November 2022.

 And if they don't turn out and the Senate is lost?

We're fucked, but at least barring something unusual, Breyer will already have been replaced. 


Steve said:

He's going to retire at the end of the 21-22 term.  It should highlight to the Dem voters the importance of turning out in November 2022.

I don't see any issue in replacing Breyer should he retire at the term ending Oct 2022.

Biden can nominate and put his nomination to the senate before the seating of the new senate in 2023.


Term ends in June (sometimes July).  He'll announce his retirement on the last day of the term which will likely be the end of June 2022.  Timing will be designed to highlight the importance of holding the Senate.


RTrent said:

I don't see any issue in replacing Breyer should he retire at the term ending Oct 2022.

Biden can nominate and put his nomination to the senate before the seating of the new senate in 2023.

This relies on lockstep voting by the Democrats, including Manchin. Sure wish there was more time to twist arms and not give all of the leverage to Manchin and Sinema to water down the choice.


Same situation today.


Steve said:

Same situation today.

 True, but more time.


jimmurphy said:

RTrent said:

I don't see any issue in replacing Breyer should he retire at the term ending Oct 2022.

Biden can nominate and put his nomination to the senate before the seating of the new senate in 2023.

This relies on lockstep voting by the Democrats, including Manchin. Sure wish there was more time to twist arms and not give all of the leverage to Manchin and Sinema to water down the choice.

So?

You'll be relying on step lock Democratic voting whether it be done now or then.

ps - oops, I missed Steve's comment. 

But anyway, its a seems ridiculous telling someone to retire now because "we may need more time" to pick your successor. If, unlike the Republicans, Democrats are incapable of getting their act together then do they deserve to be in charge? Many independents and some Democrats will be thinking at election time why am I voting to support a party that is ineffectual.


We are a gerontocracy in transition to mobocracy.


RTrent said:


But anyway, its a seems ridiculous telling someone to retire now because "we may need more time" to pick your successor. If, unlike the Republicans, Democrats are incapable of getting their act together then do they deserve to be in charge? Many independents and some Democrats will be thinking at election time why am I voting to support a party that is ineffectual.

 I have no doubt that the White House has a list of potential nominees. If they get any hint of retirement they will begin (or continue) the vetting process.


BTW while lots of folks are still angry about Biden and Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas it was mainly Joe who kept Bork off the Supreme Court.


RTrent said:

jimmurphy said:

RTrent said:

I don't see any issue in replacing Breyer should he retire at the term ending Oct 2022.

Biden can nominate and put his nomination to the senate before the seating of the new senate in 2023.

This relies on lockstep voting by the Democrats, including Manchin. Sure wish there was more time to twist arms and not give all of the leverage to Manchin and Sinema to water down the choice.

So?

You'll be relying on step lock Democratic voting whether it be done now or then.

ps - oops, I missed Steve's comment. 

But anyway, its a seems ridiculous telling someone to retire now because "we may need more time" to pick your successor. If, unlike the Republicans, Democrats are incapable of getting their act together then do they deserve to be in charge? Many independents and some Democrats will be thinking at election time why am I voting to support a party that is ineffectual.

 the reason Breyer is being pressured to retire now is not that "we may need more time". (don't know where you got that from) It's because there is a very fragile, 51 vote Dem majority. We are one death or serious illness away from losing that majority. It's not like the Senate is filled with spring chickens.


drummerboy said:

RTrent said:

jimmurphy said:

RTrent said:

I don't see any issue in replacing Breyer should he retire at the term ending Oct 2022.

Biden can nominate and put his nomination to the senate before the seating of the new senate in 2023.

This relies on lockstep voting by the Democrats, including Manchin. Sure wish there was more time to twist arms and not give all of the leverage to Manchin and Sinema to water down the choice.

So?

You'll be relying on step lock Democratic voting whether it be done now or then.

ps - oops, I missed Steve's comment. 

But anyway, its a seems ridiculous telling someone to retire now because "we may need more time" to pick your successor. If, unlike the Republicans, Democrats are incapable of getting their act together then do they deserve to be in charge? Many independents and some Democrats will be thinking at election time why am I voting to support a party that is ineffectual.

 the reason Breyer is being pressured to retire now is not that "we may need more time". (don't know where you got that from) It's because there is a very fragile, 51 vote Dem majority. We are one death or serious illness away from losing that majority. It's not like the Senate is filled with spring chickens.

I'm replying to Murphy's "need more time" comment. Did you even bother to read his comment? I do agree it would be better if done now because of the slim margin even though many of the elderly democrats like Weinstein would be replaced by another democrat.

OTOH, Collins, who fooled her voters with her moderation but now has shown where she really stands when the Republicans need her votes would likely be replaced by a Democrat considering Maine's governor is a Democrat. In some states, states that have Democratic governors and Republican legislatures or like a Wisconsin situation where a Democrat is waiting to replace a Republican, they are thinking of favoring their party by enacting laws specifying the replacement be of the same party. 


RTrent said:

drummerboy said:

RTrent said:

jimmurphy said:

RTrent said:

I don't see any issue in replacing Breyer should he retire at the term ending Oct 2022.

Biden can nominate and put his nomination to the senate before the seating of the new senate in 2023.

This relies on lockstep voting by the Democrats, including Manchin. Sure wish there was more time to twist arms and not give all of the leverage to Manchin and Sinema to water down the choice.

So?

You'll be relying on step lock Democratic voting whether it be done now or then.

ps - oops, I missed Steve's comment. 

But anyway, its a seems ridiculous telling someone to retire now because "we may need more time" to pick your successor. If, unlike the Republicans, Democrats are incapable of getting their act together then do they deserve to be in charge? Many independents and some Democrats will be thinking at election time why am I voting to support a party that is ineffectual.

 the reason Breyer is being pressured to retire now is not that "we may need more time". (don't know where you got that from) It's because there is a very fragile, 51 vote Dem majority. We are one death or serious illness away from losing that majority. It's not like the Senate is filled with spring chickens.

I'm replying to Murphy's "need more time" comment. Did you even bother to read his comment? I do agree it would be better if done now because of the slim margin even though many of the elderly democrats like Weinstein would be replaced by another democrat.

OTOH, Collins, who fooled her voters with her moderation but now has shown where she really stands when the Republicans need her votes would likely be replaced by a Democrat considering Maine's governor is a Democrat. In some states, states that have Democratic governors and Republican legislatures or like a Wisconsin situation where a Democrat is waiting to replace a Republican, they are thinking of favoring their party by enacting laws specifying the replacement be of the same party. 

 sorry. I read his comment but actually didn't get his point, so it didn't register.


drummerboy said:

 the reason Breyer is being pressured to retire now is not that "we may need more time". (don't know where you got that from) It's because there is a very fragile, 51 vote Dem majority. We are one death or serious illness away from losing that majority. It's not like the Senate is filled with spring chickens.

Yes, fragile. Noted and agreed.  

Kid glove treatment generally takes longer, in my experience.

That’s where I got that idea from.


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