Interesting that no on has noted

that today is the 150th anniversary of the end of the war started in contravention of the constitution which does not in any way say that states were not free to leave the union at will.

We bombed Serbia to force them to ALLOW a much less legal secession

Yes, interesting.

Forget it. My reading comprehension is clearly poor.

It's also the day that my hellebores bloomed...so there's that.

The Constitution has endured because it is a living document subject to reinterpretation. It was amended to end slavery and allow women to vote, among other things. I'm sorry that you think the Union should have disbanded to allow the southern states to continue with slavery, but that viewpoint lost.

Do you think the weather will warm up soon?

FilmCarp said:

The Constitution has endured because it is a living document subject to reinterpretation. It was amended to end slavery and allow women to vote, among other things. I'm sorry that you think the Union should have disbanded to allow the southern states to continue with slavery, but that viewpoint lost.

I think that southern states should have been allowed to leave because that was their business and no one else's. What their policies were or were not are irrelevant. All that is relevant is what the constitution allows,

And the constitution can be amended but it can not be arbitrarily disregarded or changed without an amendment.

zzzzzzzzz

Hooray! This thread again!

Interesting that no on has noted...

That vague titles of threads on MOL (which get me to click into the thread, just for me to discover that I have zero interest in it, and later forget and reclick on the thread of disinterest) are very annoying.

mbaldwin said:

It's also the day that my hellebores bloomed...so there's that.

Really? Mine started blooming about 2 weeks ago

I had a tuna sandwich for lunch.

This was settled by the Supreme Court in Texas v. White in 1869. Nothing has changed since, so that decision is still going to stand.

Guess we can close the thread now, right?
;-)

Tell you the truth if Hillary becomes president, I expect the modern day secessionist movement in the South and Southwest which is just a fringe movement to grow. I'm getting to the point where I'd support an amicable separation. We had a good run, but who are we kidding? We just want different things.

Do you think they would start having slaves again? Not that it's any of my business.

gonets said:

Tell you the truth if Hillary becomes president, I expect the modern day secessionist movement in the South and Southwest which is just a fringe movement to grow. I'm getting to the point where I'd support an amicable separation. We had a good run, but who are we kidding? We just want different things.

I'm no a fan of this.

I don't want a third world nation on our long Southern Border.

Assuming California goes with the Northern states, the Confederacy of Southern States would seriously lack economically.

There likely would have been wars between the countries all the way to California.

qrysdonnell said:

This was settled by the Supreme Court in Texas v. White in 1869. Nothing has changed since, so that decision is still going to stand.

Guess we can close the thread now, right?
;-)

1869 is after 1861. So no it does not.

I thought you were going to complain that no one has noted the 30th anniversary of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjI4eLVzbPI

If the CSA is an independent country, doesn't Congress have the authority to declare war?

I literally can't believe I'm participating in this again.

The Michael Slagers of the world haven't forgotten, either.

RobB said:

If the CSA is an independent country, doesn't Congress have the authority to declare war?

I literally can't believe I'm participating in this again.

They did not do so however.

We conquered them fair and square.

Because it was a rebellion. But the end result was the same.

They started the war, we won it. Slavery apologists need to just suck it up already.

There's lots of nostalgia out there for the good old days. From Confederate flags to celebrations of the South's heroes, many yearn for the simplicity of free labor picking cotton for Northern mills and driving growth of prosperity we continue to enjoy. The clanging of train bells as virtual slaves from China build railroads; the hum of sewing machines as European immigrants toil in factories. The gentle lowing of cattle as they move from stockyard to killing floors where immigrants kill themselves with knives, machines, and chemicals. Where has it all gone?

tom said:

They started the war, we won it. Slavery apologists need to just suck it up already.

It has nothing to do with slavery. Just following the constitution. But people have been undermining the constitution since the day it went into effect. But that does not make it right.

Why the Confederacy Lives
One hundred-fifty years after Appomattox, many Southerners still won’t give up.
By EUAN HAGUE
April 08, 2015

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/civil-war-american-south-still-loves-confederacy-116771.html?hp=m1#.VSbRv0LVnCk

ram said:

tom said:

They started the war, we won it. Slavery apologists need to just suck it up already.

It has nothing to do with slavery. Just following the constitution. But people have been undermining the constitution since the day it went into effect. But that does not make it right.

Must be a pretty deficient document.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21647625-150-years-after-end-civil-war-states-were-once-confederate-remain

"....Yet the war is more than an excuse for dressing up. It created a divide that has yet to disappear. For all the economic dynamism of the South, which over the past few decades has almost caught up with the rest of the country economically (see article), it remains a region apart, from the bedroom to the ballot box. If you know whether a state was part of the Confederacy, it is possible to make a reasonably accurate guess about where it stands on a range of seemingly unconnected matters, from party politics to gay marriage..."