He sounds so good for America, even when he's wrong...
Well, the race for the GOP nomination seems to be coming down to, "Who hates gay people more". So, Dr. Carson is in the running.
"Dr. Carson is in the running."
Yes he is, and that's a good thing, but where do you get off implying he hates gay people?
ajc said:
"Dr. Carson is in the running."
Yes he is, and that's a good thing, but where do you get off implying he hates gay people?
You know what, read something about him.
Did Carson really say that? What is the difference between what he said and what Al Queda or ISIS says?
They just hear different messages from God in their heads.
I like him in the race for the GOP nomination. It reinforces that it is the party of crazy.
ridski said:
nohero said:
ajc said:
"Dr. Carson is in the running."
Yes he is, and that's a good thing, but where do you get off implying he hates gay people?
You know what, read something about him.
Like, anything.
ridski said:
ligeti said:
Boob.
Ha! That's awesome. "Suck it, Israel! God loves US now!"
Thanks. There is now beer on my phone.
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
Wasn't there concern that JFK was going to take his orders from the Pope?
Never mind JFK.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/10/europe/italy-raul-castro-pope-francis-meeting/
What will the GOP electorate think of this:
http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/230070
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
As a fine carpenter and sculptor, of sorts, I have to disagree. One can be very smart and very wrong at the very same time
More to the point, what will all of the Republican candidates think after this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/living/pew-religion-study/
Millennials leaving church in droves, study finds(CNN)Christian life is a set of sacred traditions -- an unbroken circle, in the words of an old hymn -- connecting generations of Sunday school stories, youth ministry morals and family gatherings sanctified by prayer.
In modern America, that circle may not be completely severed, but it is wobbly and severely bent, according to a new landmark study conducted by the Pew Research Center.
Released Tuesday, the survey of 35,000 American adults shows the Christian percentage of the population dropping precipitously, to 70.6%. In 2007, the last time Pew conducted a similar survey, 78.4% of American adults called themselves Christian.
In the meantime, almost every major branch of Christianity in the United States has lost a significant number of members, Pew found, mainly because millennials are leaving the fold. More than one-third of millennials now say they are unaffiliated with any faith, up 10 percentage points since 2007.
The alacrity of their exodus surprises even seasoned experts.
"We've known that the religiously unaffiliated has been growing for decades," said Greg Smith, Pew's associate director of religion research and the lead researcher on the new study. "But the pace at which they've continued to grow is really astounding."
It's not just millennials leaving the church. Whether married or single, rich or poor, young or old, living in the West or the Bible Belt, almost every demographic group has seen a significant drop in people who call themselves Christians, Pew found.
The drops have been deepest among two of the country's most formidable faith traditions: Catholics and mainline Protestants, so-called for their prominence in American history. At the same time, Hinduism and Islam, religions tied to recent immigrants, according to Pew, have made small but significant gains. While they have declined as a percentage of the overall population, the number of evangelicals has remained relatively steady in the past seven years.
Because the U.S. census does not ask questions about religion, Pew's survey, called "America's Changing Religious Landscape," provides one of the most reliable sources of data about the country's religious demographics. Based in Washington, Pew calls itself a nonpartisan "fact tank" and regularly produces vast and detailed studies of religion.
People who profess no faith affiliation -- often called "nones," as in "none of the above" -- now form nearly 23% percent of the country's adult population, according to the Pew study. That puts the unaffiliated nearly on par with evangelicals (25.4%) and ahead of Catholics (about 21%) and mainline Protestants (14.7%).
Seven years ago, according to Pew's previous study, the unaffiliated formed about 16% of the population, mainline Protestants were about 18%, Catholics were about 24% and evangelicals 26.3%.
Looking at the long view, the generational spans are striking. Whereas 85% of the silent generation (born 1928-1945) call themselves Christians, just 56% of today's younger millennials (born 1990-1996) do the same, even though the vast majority -- about eight in 10 -- were raised in religious homes.
To put it simply: Older generations of Americans are not passing along the Christian faith as effectively as their forebears.
"It's not as if young people today are being raised in a way completely different from Christianity," said Smith, the Pew researcher. "But as adults they are simply dropping that part of their identity."
While Pew's study will likely to cheer the hearts of atheists, the rapid rise of religiously unaffiliated Americans hasn't necessarily spawned a generation of infidels.
Just 3% of the "nones" call themselves atheists, a small bump from 2007, when 1.5% did the same. Four percent say they are agnostic, meaning they don't know if God exists, a gain of 1.6 percentage points from seven years ago.
"We are very cognizant that this does not mean there's been a straight-up spike in nonbelievers," said Paul Fidalgo, communications director for the Center for Inquiry, a secular advocacy group. "But it's still really good news to see a whole generation of people who are making their own decisions about belief, religion and spirituality."
It's also good news for strict church-state separationists, Fidalgo said, especially those who want to see traditional religious morality disappear from debates over women's health, abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change.
While the study isn't likely to surprise many mainline Protestants, it throws their decades-long collapse in membership into stark relief. Almost every American town is dotted by historic Episcopal, United Methodist, Evangelical, Lutheran, Presbyterian and Congregationalist churches. Increasingly, those churches are empty of young faces. Just 11% of millennials call themselves mainline Protestants. (Only 16% identify with Catholicism.)
Of America's major faiths, mainline Protestants have the worst retention rate among millennials, with just 37% staying in the fold, Pew found. By contrast, nearly two in three millennials raised without a faith continue to eschew organized religion as adults.
The collapse of American Christianity can't simply be laid at the feet of religious leaders, demographers say. There are bigger societal swings in play: Americans are marrying later, increasingly to spouses who don't share their faith, and having fewer children. (Mainline Protestants have particularly low birth rates.)
Other experts blame new innovations such as the rise of the Internet, where religions can be fact-checked in real time and seekers can find communities of like-minded iconoclasts.
But Christian leaders still bear some responsibility for not connecting with younger believers, said L. Gregory Jones, a senior strategist for leadership education at Duke University in North Carolina.
Many young Christians seemed bored by church, he said, pointing to youth ministers as particularly ineffective at engaging their intellect. One study cited by Jones showed that nearly 70% of full-time youth ministers have no theological education.
"Christianity in the United States hasn't done a good job of engaging serious Christian reflection with young people, in ways that would be relevant to their lives."
Instead, many Christian denominations have been riven by internal struggles over same-sex marriage, particularly in the last decade. While most millennials back gay rights, according to separate surveys, they are more interested in engaging with the wider world than holding endless debate over sexual morality, Jones said.
"If it is the case that millennials are less 'atheists' than they are 'bored,' then serious engagements with Christian social innovation, and with deep intellectual reflection (and these two things are connected), would offer promising signs of hope," Jones said.
Jude said:
More to the point, what will all of the Republican candidates think after this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/living/pew-religion-study/
It will confirm their belief that Christians and Christianity are under attack in America.
6dave6 said:
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
As a fine carpenter and sculptor, of sorts, I have to disagree. One can be very smart and very wrong at the very same time
Yeah, I wouldn't argue that point either. I just think that certain manual arts (and I am, or used to be, a carpenter who aspired to greater things.,) don't really have much to do with the general kind of intelligence better suited to analyzing and evaluating the world around you. Dr. Carson clearly has none of that intelligence.
p.s. as to another comment of yours, I would consider someone who is largely wrong about the world around him to not be "smart but wrong", but someone who's missing a certain type of intelligence.
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
ajc said:
"Dr. Carson is in the running."
Yes he is, and that's a good thing, but where do you get off implying he hates gay people?
To be a straight shooter, your statements need to be truthful. I recall that moniker was applied by the media to Christie, and we know how accurate that was.
I'm hard pressed to find any recent things Carson has said to be factually wrong and filled with hate and willful distortion. Art, if you aren't aware of the last 40 years of empirical research into homosexuality, you might not see Carson's prison choice hypotheses as offensive. The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from their DSM in 1973. Researchers recently found a possible genetic marker for homosexuality in males.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41472/title/Zeroing-in-on-the--Gay-Gene-/
Anyone who still peddles the ludicrous fiction that being gay is a choice is self identifying as someone who hates gays, and throwing their support behind all manner of vile homophobia. But his choice assertion is perfectly in line with Republican justification of their party's hatred. He has gone beyond that into the realm of McCarthyesque lunacy to suggest that homosexuality is a Marxist plot, and that it's opponents of gay marriage that the one who's liberty and rights are being trampled. To hit the right wing dog whistles, he couches it as part of the New World Order and name drops Saul Alinsky. And in keeping with his disinterest in anything from the last 50 years that clearly discredits his beliefs, his source for this plot is a 1958 book by conspiracy speiler Cleon Skousen. Or maybe he thought Dr. Strangelove was a documentary, and took Buck Turgidson as a reliable source..
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-explains-how-gay-marriage-marxist-plot-impose-new-world-order
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/22/6-things-you-should-know-about-conservative-med/198972
There's just so much to be offended by in Carson's unending demagoguery. His contention that marriage equality supporters are endorsing pedophilia. Stating anyone supporting evolution lacks morals. And in maybe his most offensive turd bomb to me personally, his assessment hat American liberals are turning the country into Nazi Germany by stifling debate with their PC police. His historic ignorance is reinforced by his contention that most Germans didn't support what Hitler was doing. Revisionist history is essential to the Obama-Hitler comparisons. As a Jew, I find this particularly repulsive and clear evidence that the Republican party's acceptance of minimizing Hitler's crimes and wishing to end freedom of religion in America with their Human Life Amendment tells me who the the real enemies of freedom are.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-comparisons-nazi-germany
As for Carson hoping to hear voices, we already had a President who said G-d wanted him to be President and invade Iraq. Why G-d would tell Bush to stumble into our worst foreign policy debacle ever is a mystery. Anyone running for office, not least of which the Presidency, claiming to hear divine voices should be sent for therapy and withdraw their campaign, as they lack the mental stability to serve.
drummerboy said:
6dave6 said:
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
As a fine carpenter and sculptor, of sorts, I have to disagree. One can be very smart and very wrong at the very same time
Yeah, I wouldn't argue that point either. I just think that certain manual arts (and I am, or used to be, a carpenter who aspired to greater things.,) don't really have much to do with the general kind of intelligence better suited to analyzing and evaluating the world around you. Dr. Carson clearly has none of that intelligence.
p.s. as to another comment of yours, I would consider someone who is largely wrong about the world around him to not be "smart but wrong", but someone who's missing a certain type of intelligence.
As per your first response, even the manual arts require a good degree of intelligence, to be done properly. I.e. laying and cutting rafters or stringers both requiring complex mathematical skills. Being a surgeon would include, in my opinion, the ability to learn and retain a large amount of knowledge on how the body works and how best to repair it. This would appear to require a good degree of intellect. Dr Carson may be repeating a view, that was forced upon him as a child, subverting his intellect. Because of that and other things, I would not want him as a president .
As per your second comment, Aristotle was very intelligent but very wrong, with his earth centered universe
drummerboy said:
6dave6 said:
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
As a fine carpenter and sculptor, of sorts, I have to disagree. One can be very smart and very wrong at the very same time
Yeah, I wouldn't argue that point either. I just think that certain manual arts (and I am, or used to be, a carpenter who aspired to greater things.,) don't really have much to do with the general kind of intelligence better suited to analyzing and evaluating the world around you. Dr. Carson clearly has none of that intelligence.
p.s. as to another comment of yours, I would consider someone who is largely wrong about the world around him to not be "smart but wrong", but someone who's missing a certain type of intelligence.
Have a Muslim ruler announce that he'll be leading his country by what God tells him to do and see how America reacts.
DYLAN... With God on Our Side
http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/god-our-side
..Judas Iscariot Had God on his side
6dave6 said:
drummerboy said:
6dave6 said:
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
As a fine carpenter and sculptor, of sorts, I have to disagree. One can be very smart and very wrong at the very same time
Yeah, I wouldn't argue that point either. I just think that certain manual arts (and I am, or used to be, a carpenter who aspired to greater things.,) don't really have much to do with the general kind of intelligence better suited to analyzing and evaluating the world around you. Dr. Carson clearly has none of that intelligence.
p.s. as to another comment of yours, I would consider someone who is largely wrong about the world around him to not be "smart but wrong", but someone who's missing a certain type of intelligence.
As per your first response, even the manual arts require a good degree of intelligence, to be done properly. I.e. laying and cutting rafters or stringers both requiring complex mathematical skills. Being a surgeon would include, in my opinion, the ability to learn and retain a large amount of knowledge on how the body works and how best to repair it. This would appear to require a good degree of intellect. Dr Carson may be repeating a view, that was forced upon him as a child, subverting his intellect. Because of that and other things, I would not want him as a president .
As per your second comment, Aristotle was very intelligent but very wrong, with his earth centered universe
drummerboy said:
6dave6 said:
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
ajc said:
Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...
The more I learn about him, the more I'm convinced that brain surgery is a super narrow type of intelligence that doesn't translate to any other field.
In general I rank surgery up there with fine carpentry and sculpture - both noble and honorable crafts - but general intelligence has little to do with it.
As a fine carpenter and sculptor, of sorts, I have to disagree. One can be very smart and very wrong at the very same time
Yeah, I wouldn't argue that point either. I just think that certain manual arts (and I am, or used to be, a carpenter who aspired to greater things.,) don't really have much to do with the general kind of intelligence better suited to analyzing and evaluating the world around you. Dr. Carson clearly has none of that intelligence.
p.s. as to another comment of yours, I would consider someone who is largely wrong about the world around him to not be "smart but wrong", but someone who's missing a certain type of intelligence.
I don't agree regarding Aristotle, as it it's just not analogous to someone like Carson.. It's one thing to be wrong when you're on the cutting edge of knowledge and trying to figure out things that no one has really considered before. It's quite another thing to be wrong when you're surrounded by the works of others to inform you.
Going back to the title of this thread, it's very typical of the OP.
He admires someone who sounds good, even though he's wrong. Because truthiness is more important that truth.
It's all about celebrity and image. After all the Republican's favorite politician was an actor by trade.
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Dr. Ben Carson is certainly no politician, and I believe what you see is what you'll get. A strait shooting, tell it like it is, man for all seasons. The more I listen to him, and the more I learn about him, the more I like him. Kit Carson reborn...