Biden's wins

mtierney said:

My guess is the Afghanistan debacle just won’t be forgotten

it won't be "forgotten." But few aside from yourself are still harping on it. 


ml1 said:

mtierney said:

My guess is the Afghanistan debacle just won’t be forgotten

it won't be "forgotten." But few aside from yourself are still harping on it. 

The political post-mortem on Afghanistan will do everything except to come up with lessons learned.

I'm actually hard-pressed to think of a single instance where we have performed successful nation-building. And don't say Japan and Germany.  Those nations were already fully-formed and given a choice between aligning with the U.S. or the USSR...well, there wasn't really a choice.

Although, if the whole experience makes us think again about foreign wars for a time, that will be good.


tjohn said:

The political post-mortem on Afghanistan will do everything except to come up with lessons learned.

I'm actually hard-pressed to think of a single instance where we have performed successful nation-building. And don't say Japan and Germany.  Those nations were already fully-formed and given a choice between aligning with the U.S. or the USSR...well, there wasn't really a choice.

Although, if the whole experience makes us think again about foreign wars for a time, that will be good.

Former confederacy, 1865 - 1877? Of course, when it got too hard we just kind of gave up and tossed much the progress away, and now "patriots" storm the U.S. Capitol with the treason flag and get lauded by major media and political figures.


PVW said:

tjohn said:

The political post-mortem on Afghanistan will do everything except to come up with lessons learned.

I'm actually hard-pressed to think of a single instance where we have performed successful nation-building. And don't say Japan and Germany.  Those nations were already fully-formed and given a choice between aligning with the U.S. or the USSR...well, there wasn't really a choice.

Although, if the whole experience makes us think again about foreign wars for a time, that will be good.

Former confederacy, 1865 - 1877? Of course, when it got too hard we just kind of gave up and tossed much the progress away, and now "patriots" storm the U.S. Capitol with the treason flag and get lauded by major media and political figures.

I recently read "The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story", by Kermit Roosevelt III, which includes a discussion of Reconstruction. It sounds very much like another failed attempt at "nation building", where in the end the original oppressors resume their roles over the rest of the population.

It started out as promising as any other "nation building": "Reconstruction accomplished amazing things – by military force. At the point of a bayonet, the Constitution was transformed by the Reconstruction Amendments. Former Confederate states wrote new constitutions that affirmed equality. Black men – former slaves – were elected to state and federal office." (p. 95) But that didn't last once the occupying forces left, as he writes on the next page -

"With the Compromise of 1877, the federal government abandons, or at best largely scales back, the use of federal military power to support state governments. The integrated governments that were set up are overthrown by force, and southern whites take back control. Like Lincoln’s unpopularity in the South, the extremism of this shift in power is hard to overstate."

"Most Americans don’t know that military coups swept over half the country, with the acquiescence of the federal government. But that’s what happened. The legitimate governments of southern states and cities were overthrown by force, by white supremacist paramilitary organizations. Black people and Republicans were disenfranchised and massacred. They call it the Redemption of the South, and what it means is we turn away from the idea of equality. We restore racial hierarchy. Redeemer governments write new constitutions; they put up monuments to Confederates and terrorists."

All very Taliban-like.


Biden win (although the GOP thinks it can spin it their way, they sound pathetic). 


nohero said:

Biden win (although the GOP thinks it can spin it their way, they sound pathetic). 

there are probably 100X more potential terrorists in the Fox News audience than the number screened at the border.  Maybe 1000X.


Start doing more of this, one more for the win column:

Each quote tweet simply listed the member of Congress' name and how much in PPP loans they had forgiven: The White House says …

Buchanan had the most of the cohort with $2.3 million in forgiven loans, 

followed by Mullin ($1.4 million), 

Hern ($1 million), 

Kelly ($987,237),

Gaetz ($482,321) and 

M.T Greene ($183,504).


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/08/25/white-house-slams-republicans-who-criticized-student-debt-relief-but-used-ppp-loans/



And the Dow was up 13 days straight. Since Trump always took credit for any positives on the street, Biden should as well.


Morganna said:

And the Dow was up 13 days straight. Since Trump always took credit for any positives on the street, Biden should as well.

Democrats are not talking enough about this. The economy is better now than it ever was since the new deal. Biden is not going to shout it from the rooftop at the White House, but the people on the ground have to get this message out there. Maybe Biden is waiting until next year’s presidential campaign to tout his success. I hope so. 


Jaytee said:

Democrats are not talking enough about this. The economy is better now than it ever was since the new deal. Biden is not going to shout it from the rooftop at the White House, but the people on the ground have to get this message out there. Maybe Biden is waiting until next year’s presidential campaign to tout his success. I hope so. 

I hope he gets seriously caffeinated and gets out there with the message now. I watched some of the Iowa dinner last night and at least one of the GOP contenders, who was the youngest one running, Ramaswamy, was passionately, proclaiming his message. If we've learned anything from Trump, it;s that some of the public wants a loud, hard sell



Cynics often know the price of everything but the value of nothing. Remember how, just months ago, leading economic voices were predicting a catastrophic “Category 5 economic hurricane” this year? The astounding 2.4% GDP growth revealed this week with plunging inflation, historically low unemployment, and corporate profit reports soaring past expectations have knocked the wind out of the fact-free cynics. It’s been said that cynics sound smarter than optimists because of the facts they cite but, in this case, they have no facts.


https://fortune.com/2023/07/28/bidenomics-critics-ira-inflation-economy-politics-sonnenfeld-tian/


This was a pretty interesting article, about Biden's plans for jump starting the hydrogen industry. A Republican president would never propose something like this.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23900109/hydrogen-green-energy-hubs-biden


Not enough attention has been paid to Biden's correction of the horrendous Trump policy of separating migrant families, which was deliberately used to punish and to discourage families from seeking asylum.

Biden didn't just reverse the policy, but has now entered into a legal settlement to bar the use of that policy in the future - which means it's judicially enforceable even in the event Trump or a Trump-like Republican is elected. 


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