All things Epstein
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
The MOL archives have some wonderful details about Epstein conspiracy theories, from the usual suspects. Maplewood Online - Epstein Commits Suicide While on Suicide Watch
DaveSchmidt said:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Brian-Epstein
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/epstemi01.shtml
Not to mention the most famous Epstein documents.
tjohn said:
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
Since when does credibility matter in this context? My personal bet? She will say no no there's nothing there, and will get a pardon/commutation.
mjc said:
tjohn said:
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
Since when does credibility matter in this context? My personal bet? She will say no no there's nothing there, and will get a pardon/commutation.
I'm not sure that even president clown-show could weather a pardon of maxwell.
maybe...
drummerboy said:
mjc said:
tjohn said:
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
Since when does credibility matter in this context? My personal bet? She will say no no there's nothing there, and will get a pardon/commutation.
I'm not sure that even president clown-show could weather a pardon of maxwell.
maybe...
he can literally weather anything
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
mjc said:
tjohn said:
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
Since when does credibility matter in this context? My personal bet? She will say no no there's nothing there, and will get a pardon/commutation.
I'm not sure that even president clown-show could weather a pardon of maxwell.
maybe...
he can literally weather anything
you are unfortunately probably right.
but this one smells a bit differently to me.
I say this with the full knowledge that a Vance presidency would be far worse than what we've got now, because then the tech bros would be totally ascendant. I don't relish a government run by the ideas of theil and yarvin.
plus, Vance is not clinically insane. always a plus for their side.
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
mjc said:
tjohn said:
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
Since when does credibility matter in this context? My personal bet? She will say no no there's nothing there, and will get a pardon/commutation.
I'm not sure that even president clown-show could weather a pardon of maxwell.
maybe...
he can literally weather anything
you are unfortunately probably right.
but this one smells a bit differently to me.
I say this with the full knowledge that a Vance presidency would be far worse than what we've got now, because then the tech bros would be totally ascendant. I don't relish a government run by the ideas of theil and yarvin.
plus, Vance is not clinically insane. always a plus for there side.
the problem is about 40% of the country has been persuaded that the Democratic Party is evil and intent on destroying the "real American" way of life.
The Republicans can do anything and not lose their base.
Two outcomes: either the Epstein files come out or the MAGA train derails. A win-win. Pardoning Maxwell is what Republicans will also have to live with in all future elections, having spent years defending a disgusting predator.
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
mjc said:
tjohn said:
I can’t imagine any deal having any credibility since a deal means that Trump is hiding something.
Since when does credibility matter in this context? My personal bet? She will say no no there's nothing there, and will get a pardon/commutation.
I'm not sure that even president clown-show could weather a pardon of maxwell.
maybe...
he can literally weather anything
you are unfortunately probably right.
but this one smells a bit differently to me.
I say this with the full knowledge that a Vance presidency would be far worse than what we've got now, because then the tech bros would be totally ascendant. I don't relish a government run by the ideas of theil and yarvin.
plus, Vance is not clinically insane. always a plus for there side.
the problem is about 40% of the country has been persuaded that the Democratic Party is evil and intent on destroying the "real American" way of life.
The Republicans can do anything and not lose their base.
the complicating factor here is that the Epstein thing involves pedophilia (not really, but close enough...) and pedophilia is so central to the MAGA conspiratorial mindset that many of them are clearly having a rough time doing the 180 that is now being asked of them. there is opposition from people that have never opposed before, on anything.
so this is different than what's come before.
how different? who knows til it plays out.
What if his deal with maxwell is to have her name a bunch of democrats…his magats then asks him to pardon her…then she disappears…
drummerboy said:
the complicating factor here is that the Epstein thing involves pedophilia (not really, but close enough...) and pedophilia is so central to the MAGA conspiratorial mindset that many of them are clearly having a rough time doing the 180 that is now being asked of them. there is opposition from people that have never opposed before, on anything.
so this is different than what's come before.
how different? who knows til it plays out.
they can excuse anything. They'll rationalize it by saying the girls looked like adults. And they wanted it.
Jaytee said:
What if his deal with maxwell is to have her name a bunch of democrats…his magats then asks him to pardon her…then she disappears…
Then there should be no issue releasing the files in September. The House seems to have the votes to do so.
needless to say, if this was anyone else they would have had to resign yesterday because of enormous political pressure.
Did Trump Just Confess He Learned about Virginia Giuffre before Jeffrey Epstein Recruited Someone Else at Mar-a-Lago?
I thought we should revisit this. all i have to say at this point is that the people calling for ignoring epstein back in the summer were very wrong. at least so far. nothing in the past 10 years has damaged maga as much as this nonsense and those dems who pushed forward on it were absolutely correct.
though when the whole world is upside down it's hard to just declare it a clear win until it's over - whatever that means. but I'd say so far so good.
is it the most important issue the country faces? not even effing close. (see upside down world above) but in these kinds of circumstances, facing the absolute most lawless and corrupt admin in our lifetimes, you have to seize on any opportunity that arises to strike a blow.
Smedley said:
Who called for ignoring Epstein?
a couple of people here and some behind the scenes in washington
drummerboy said:
I thought we should revisit this. all i have to say at this point is that the people calling for ignoring epstein back in the summer were very wrong. at least so far. nothing in the past 10 years has damaged maga as much as this nonsense and those dems who pushed forward on it were absolutely correct.
though when the whole world is upside down it's hard to just declare it a clear win until it's over - whatever that means. but I'd say so far so good.
is it the most important issue the country faces? not even effing close. (see upside down world above) but in these kinds of circumstances, facing the absolute most lawless and corrupt admin in our lifetimes, you have to seize on any opportunity that arises to strike a blow.
I must say that I had no idea that the MAGA rank and file cared so much about the release of the Epstein files.
I'm not holding my breath for a full un-redacted release of the files. It wouldn't surprise me if the only names in the released files are Democrats, Democratic donors, and other public figures considered to be "libs."
ml1 said:
I'm not holding my breath for a full un-redacted release of the files. It wouldn't surprise me if the only names in the released files are Democrats, Democratic donors, and other public figures considered to be "libs."
Even if it is a full, unredacted release, Democrats will turn on their own and eat them alive while MAGA shrugs and says boys will be boys.
tjohn said:
I must say that I had no idea that the MAGA rank and file cared so much about the release of the Epstein files.
They “care about” what they’re told to “care about”, and that used to be “release the Epstein files” until they were told the opposite.
mrincredible said:
So. Any news?
in today's shocking (shocking!) news, the full release of the Epstein files did not happen.
given how little Trump cares about people knowing about his long list of criminal behavior, including sexual assault, I can only imagine how bad the full Epstein files are for him. Why is he working so hard to keep them secret? It must be incredibly sordid.
There has been a lot of reporting on the redacting frenzy that took place before the documents were released. There were also documents redacted after the release.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epstein-files-redaction-over-500-pages-entirely-blacked-out/
The Justice Department released thousands of new records on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein on Friday, but at least 550 pages in the documents were fully redacted in the initial release, CBS News has found.
The newly released files included photos of several prominent people in Epstein's orbit, images from his homes and investigative records that detail disturbing allegations against the late sex offender. But the heavy redactions in many of the records have drawn criticism from Democrats and some Republicans, as the department defends its handling of the files.
It's really hard to make sense of all of this mishigas.
but a few things are pretty clear
the outreach to Maxwell by the DOJ is utterly insane and is the clearest sign of their desperation. they have given zero explanation for why they are making such an unprecedented move.
there are rumors that some kind of deal has been reached. a deal for what? why do they need to make a deal with her at all? (and I can't tell you how sick I am of hearing the word deal in reference to these guys)
I have no idea how this is going to play out. maybe it'll just be another of those scandals that simply goes away. but a lot of MAGA is royally pissed about this as never before. and that's important.