Unfortunately, the Covid vaccines have failed to stop Covid cold. On the other hand, the vaccines have been highly successful in reducing the number of serious cases. Of course, the critics, who somehow think that refusing vaccines in support of the common good is somehow a meaningful exercise in rights, will never be convinced.
Not only that, he now has natural immunity to covid 19. While obviously true, many studies show that natural immunity is more effective and long lasting than any other medical treatment available right now.
Now imagine he had gotten the vaccine and had a breakthrough case. Is he not now invincible to COVID? He has double immunity, right? And then if he got a booster shot on top of that he'd be like a God amongst men, able to walk through seas of infected humans naked as the day as he was born and viral particles would bounce off his face like incomplete passes from a Jets QB.
shouldn't someone point out that acquiring "natural immunity" requires contracting a totally preventable disease?
Can't we openly discuss how stupid it is to get an infection in order to protect yourself from getting that infection?
How is it totally preventable?
in the population, if everyone medically able receives a 90%+ effective vaccine, the disease will be eliminated in that population. It's why you don't need to worry about a polio or smallpox outbreak. I figured you knew such things.
But yeah at present time for an individual, COVID is only about 90% preventable. Largely because so many people remain unvaccinated.
Thanks sprout, I see you and Jamie posted the same link. Is this a good source? I was trying to encourage a friend who had covid last winter to get vaccinated so I sent her the link. Yesterday I cancelled a get together worried that she was relying on a belief in her Immunity.
in the population, if everyone medically able receives a 90%+ effective vaccine, the disease will be eliminated in that population. It's why you don't need to worry about a polio or smallpox outbreak. I figured you knew such things.
But yeah at present time for an individual, COVID is only about 90% preventable. Largely because so many people remain unvaccinated.
Clearly, we gave up too soon on relying on natural immunity for smallpox.
Clearly, we gave up too soon on relying on natural immunity for smallpox.
The anti-vax crowd apparently wants to go back to the days when people were routinely dying from smallpox and being crippled by polio and being harmed by a host of childhood diseases.
in the population, if everyone medically able receives a 90%+ effective vaccine, the disease will be eliminated in that population. It's why you don't need to worry about a polio or smallpox outbreak. I figured you knew such things.
But yeah at present time for an individual, COVID is only about 90% preventable. Largely because so many people remain unvaccinated.
I actually don't fully agree on this. I think the window for being able to eradicate covid is passed -- I would instead say that "serious cases of COVID are nearly fully preventable." I expect that over the next few years nearly every human on the planet will be exposed to the coronavirus, and the choices are now to either encounter it unvaccinated and have a significant chance of serious illness or death, to be vaccinated and have a very low chance if serious illness or death.
If you are wealthy and living in a wealthy country (or able to fly to a wealthy country), your odds of getting through a covid infection even if unvaccinated are pretty good -- we have much better treatments available than we did early in the pandemic, and more are being developed. So if you're, say, a star NFL quarterback, you're probably going to be just fine. In this way the pandemic era is really just a more extreme version of the health care landscape we already have -- the rich and powerful by and large all right, everyone else pays the price.
To some degree, I think that's where we're ending up even with widespread vaccination. Globally, we see the rich countries have easy access to vaccines while many poorer countries don't, leaving them very vulnerable even as the end of the pandemic is in sight for wealthy countries. And even within wealthy countries, we see the same dynamics that, for instance, led to medicaid expansion in richer states and better health outcomes while more rural, less economically vibrant states have seen worsening health outcomes.
in the population, if everyone medically able receives a 90%+ effective vaccine, the disease will be eliminated in that population. It's why you don't need to worry about a polio or smallpox outbreak. I figured you knew such things.
But yeah at present time for an individual, COVID is only about 90% preventable. Largely because so many people remain unvaccinated.
I actually don't fully agree on this. I think the window for being able to eradicate covid is passed -- I would instead say that "serious cases of COVID are nearly fully preventable." I expect that over the next few years nearly every human on the planet will be exposed to the coronavirus, and the choices are now to either encounter it unvaccinated and have a significant chance of serious illness or death, to be vaccinated and have a very low chance if serious illness or death.
If you are wealthy and living in a wealthy country (or able to fly to a wealthy country), your odds of getting through a covid infection even if unvaccinated are pretty good -- we have much better treatments available than we did early in the pandemic, and more are being developed. So if you're, say, a star NFL quarterback, you're probably going to be just fine. In this way the pandemic era is really just a more extreme version of the health care landscape we already have -- the rich and powerful by and large all right, everyone else pays the price.
To some degree, I think that's where we're ending up even with widespread vaccination. Globally, we see the rich countries have easy access to vaccines while many poorer countries don't, leaving them very vulnerable even as the end of the pandemic is in sight for wealthy countries. And even within wealthy countries, we see the same dynamics that, for instance, led to medicaid expansion in richer states and better health outcomes while more rural, less economically vibrant states have seen worsening health outcomes.
I tried to avoid using the word eradicate for those reasons. Measles hasn't been eliminated from the planet, but the U.S. can go years without seeing a significant outbreak. A person vaccinated against measles in the U.S. has virtually close to zero chance of infection.
is that "totally"? No.
Again my bad for using an absolute in an online discussion. It allows the other person to jump on that instead of the other point which is that it's not a rational choice for a healthy person to choose infection as a means to immunization against an infection, when there's a 90+% effective vaccination available. A vaccine administered to billions of people around the globe with exceptionally small occurrence of a serious reaction.
and it's especially dumb for an athlete who's taking a very signifiant chance of missing playing time when such a contagious variant is circulating. That's the part I find weird, that people would seemingly argue that an NFL player has no responsibility to his team. It's not like he's a guy who can work from home. And being a team player in football is job 1.
Clearly, we gave up too soon on relying on natural immunity for smallpox.
Pro-vax Ben Franklin's 4yr old child died from smallpox after not receiving a vaccination. Franklin responded publicly that they were waiting for the child to recover from something else before immunizing him. But historians suspect his wife did not trust the vaccination, and thus, their child did not receive it... to tragic result.
and it's especially dumb for an athlete who's taking a very signifiant chance of missing playing time when such a contagious variant is circulating. That's the part I find weird, that people would seemingly argue that an NFL player has no responsibility to his team. It's not like he's a guy who can work from home. And being a team player in football is job 1.
and it's especially dumb for an athlete who's taking a very signifiant chance of missing playing time when such a contagious variant is circulating. That's the part I find weird, that people would seemingly argue that an NFL player has no responsibility to his team. It's not like he's a guy who can work from home. And being a team player in football is job 1.
Aaron Rodgers has a bit of diva in him.
imho, a little bit is necessary to be a successful NFL QB. But they need to know when it's time to get over themselves for the good of the team.
shouldn't someone point out that acquiring "natural immunity" requires contracting a totally preventable disease?
Can't we openly discuss how stupid it is to get an infection in order to protect yourself from getting that infection?
How is it totally preventable?
in the population, if everyone medically able receives a 90%+ effective vaccine, the disease will be eliminated in that population. It's why you don't need to worry about a polio or smallpox outbreak. I figured you knew such things.
But yeah at present time for an individual, COVID is only about 90% preventable. Largely because so many people remain unvaccinated.
You've really drank the kool aid on this huh? The current jabs available are not effective enough to offer herd immunity. I think this may be an issue for coronaviruses and respiratory viruses in general. Have we seen this with any respiratory virus?
We've seen enormous spikes in the most vaccinated areas. See the spikes Israel had. This doesn't really hold water.
More concerns over COVID-19 have struck the Minnesota Vikings this week, including a vaccinated player who was admitted to an emergency room Tuesday night."One of our players that was vaccinated, he had to go to the ER last night because of COVID. It's serious stuff," coach Mike Zimmer told reporters Wednesday.
"Like 29 guys are getting tested because of close contact, including myself."Zimmer declined to name the hospitalized player but said he is in stable condition. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport later reported the player hospitalized was offensive lineman Dakota Dozier.
Dozier was placed on the team's COVID-19 list last Friday.As for the 29 being tested due to close contact, the NFL's COVID-19 policy does not require vaccinated individuals to be quarantined.
On Monday, the Vikings placed linebacker Ryan Connelly on the reserve/COVID-19 list, while offensive lineman Tim Parris was placed on the practice squad reserve/COVID-19 list, giving the club five players designated to reserve/COVID-19. Vaccinated center Garrett Bradbury missed the Vikings' overtime loss to the Baltimore Ravens due to a breakthrough case and was placed on the reserve/COVID-19 list on Sunday, as was defensive back Harrison Smith.
I believe the Vikings have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the league, with the unvaccinated players including QB Cousins. Doesn't this address your earlier question about quantifying harm? In a small group with frequent close contact, unvaccinated individuals pose a risk even to their vaccinated teammates. Will be interesting to see if more details come out around Dozier's case, as it's certainly rare (though "rare" is not the same as "never") for someone fully vaccinated to be hospitalized.
I believe the Vikings have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the league, with the unvaccinated players including QB Cousins. Doesn't this address your earlier question about quantifying harm? In a small group with frequent close contact, unvaccinated individuals pose a risk even to their vaccinated teammates. Will be interesting to see if more details come out around Dozier's case, as it's certainly rare (though "rare" is not the same as "never") for someone fully vaccinated to be hospitalized.
You're arguing with someone whose mind was made up before the pandemic even started.
I believe the Vikings have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the league, with the unvaccinated players including QB Cousins. Doesn't this address your earlier question about quantifying harm? In a small group with frequent close contact, unvaccinated individuals pose a risk even to their vaccinated teammates. Will be interesting to see if more details come out around Dozier's case, as it's certainly rare (though "rare" is not the same as "never") for someone fully vaccinated to be hospitalized.
You're arguing with someone whose mind was made up before the pandemic even started.
Baseless and untrue assertion. Also, this does not address the harm question. I believe the harm is a well established lost football game.
I look forward to the 2025 season where you are telling me a player is selfish because he's only recieved his 23rd booster and is a clear and present danger to life on this planet.
I believe the Vikings have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the league, with the unvaccinated players including QB Cousins. Doesn't this address your earlier question about quantifying harm? In a small group with frequent close contact, unvaccinated individuals pose a risk even to their vaccinated teammates. Will be interesting to see if more details come out around Dozier's case, as it's certainly rare (though "rare" is not the same as "never") for someone fully vaccinated to be hospitalized.
You're arguing with someone whose mind was made up before the pandemic even started.
Baseless and untrue assertion. Also, this does not address the harm question. I believe the harm is a well established lost football game.
I look forward to the 2025 season where you are telling me a player is selfish because he's only recieved his 23rd booster and is a clear and present danger to life on this planet.
it's not baseless. It's obvious to anyone who's discussed this with you here that you made up your mind first, and then scoured the internet to find anything to back up your predetermined conclusion.
with regard to a lost football game, I'm not sure who you're arguing with who thinks it's a big deal. I literally wrote "not a big deal."
but it's not zero harm in a multi-billion dollar industry that's arguably the country's most popular pastime. Not all harm is existential. Sometimes it's nothing more than letting down colleagues who count on you.
Unfortunately, the Covid vaccines have failed to stop Covid cold. On the other hand, the vaccines have been highly successful in reducing the number of serious cases. Of course, the critics, who somehow think that refusing vaccines in support of the common good is somehow a meaningful exercise in rights, will never be convinced.