Question on Ivermectin
while this won't answer your important questions, here's a good rundown on the whole Ivermectin thing.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ivermectin-demand-drives-trump-telemedicine-website-rcna1791
tjohn said:
Also, if I am drinking disinfectant and apply UVC light rectally, are there any known negative interactions with Ivermectin.
Can you tell where I can get that rectal UV light? Is it a small hearing aid battery operated led light? It does have to be small to fit, right? Will it cause sunburn?
Would going to a tanning parlor, lying on my belly on a tanning bed and spreading my cheeks work?
This vaccine debacle reminds of Bubba's fire extinguisher -
Yeah, our kitchen was on fire but we didn't know what was in that fire extinguisher. Maybe it has computer chips that spray out, stick to you and track you. Maybe it has dangerous chemicals. Besides, its for emergency use. How can you trust anything that has an emergency use authorization?
We called the fire department and the fire chief said it was OK. But the fire chief is one of dem liberals always wanting some fancy new untried equipment. Can we really trust him? I don't think so. For all I know he might be paid off by Bill Gates to convince us to use a computer chip tracking fire extinguisher.
So, we prayed that God would put it out while singing hymns. But it must be His will because our house burned to the ground.
So, would I do any different if it happened again? A gol-darned good question. But no, I would not. I trust in God.
RTrent said:
We called the fire department and the fire chief said it was OK. But the fire chief is one of dem liberals always wanting some fancy new untried equipment. Can we really trust him? I don't think so. For all I know he might be paid off by Bill Gates to convince us to use a computer chip tracking fire extinguisher.
So, we prayed that God would put it out while singing hymns. But it must be His will because our house burned to the ground.
So, would I do any different if it happened again? A gol-darned good question. But no, I would not. I trust in God.
I recall a priest giving a sermon with basically the same point when I was growing up:
A man is stuck in his house during a flood. The water is up to his waist and a kayaker comes by and offers help. "No thanks," says the man. "I have faith that god will save me." The water rises and the man has to climb on to his roof. A larger boat comes by and offers to save him. "No thank you," the man insists. "God will save me." Finally the water has risen so high not even the roof is safe. At that point a helicopter comes by, but again the man refuses, insistent that God will save him. The man drowns.
In heaven, the man asks "why didn't you send help?" God responds "I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
Who could have predicted?
— Jeff "Nazis Suck" Krasner (@JeffreyKrasner) August 30, 2021
LAREDO, Texas (AP) -- As antivaxxers falsely promote Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid, farm suppliers are running out of the horse dewormer and ranchers are reporting an explosion of cases of pinworms, ascarids, hairworms, and other equine parasites.
You know we’re screwed when a judge is making medical decisions for a hospital https://t.co/V6n6WjHVbb
— Wu-Tang Is For The Children (@WUTangKids) August 30, 2021
the weird thing is that the people who refuse the vaccine because it was only approved for emergency use, and then contract COVID are asking for treatments that have not been FDA approved for that purpose.
they seem to think that FDA approval signals "safe", and that's all. When in fact, the approval won't be given simply because a treatment is safe, it also has to be effective. Sure ivermectin is safe in recommended doses to treat a parasitic infection. But to this point there is no evidence it actually works to treat COVID-19.
I've also wondered now that the Pfizer vaccine is now fully FDA-approved if many of those arguing that they won't take an "experimental" vaccine have changed their minds and gotten a jab.
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
Be careful terp…. Lately all the people publicly berating the “good little children” are coming down with covid19 in a bad way….
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
all they had to do was not eat horse paste.
And for those who have been concerned about possible side effects of the vaccine...
Why You Shouldn’t Take Ivermectin for COVID-19
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
And taking ivermectin is not doing exactly what they're told?
The only difference is that they are being told by a$$holes and grifters.
Terp is just sore because Ivermectin isn't getting proper consideration because doctors and medical researchers hate Trump.
drummerboy said:
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
And taking ivermectin is not doing exactly what they're told?
The only difference is that they are being told by a$$holes and grifters.
not to mention how idiotic it is to imply that the way to demonstrate that one is critically thinking for him or herself is to refuse to be vaccinated. Certainly for most people it didn't take a lot of time to think through the long list of benefits of being vaccinated and weigh them against the tiny risk. It may have looked like "obedience" when in fact it was simply a no-brainer for millions of people.
Terp -- Are you still into ivermectin even after it was revealed that the often-cited study showing effectiveness was actually a big lie?
drummerboy said:
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
And taking ivermectin is not doing exactly what they're told?
The only difference is that they are being told by a$$holes and grifters.
maybe they're taking ivermectin because it tastes so good. It's apple flavored!
(but if you go to the link, you'll see it's out of stock until Sept. 30)
Since "do exactly what they are told" (or, more properly, follow good medical advice) was to get vaccinated in order to keep from becoming seriously ill, I don't understand the "Ha".
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
nohero said:
Since "do exactly what they are told" (or, more properly, follow good medical advice) was to get vaccinated in order to keep from becoming seriously ill, I don't understand the "Ha".
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
I'd rather look dumb for taking the vaccine than look dumb (really, dead) for not like Marc Bernier, Phil Valentine, or **** Farrell. If only they had listened to the medical professionals over the politicos.
Steve said:
nohero said:
Since "do exactly what they are told" (or, more properly, follow good medical advice) was to get vaccinated in order to keep from becoming seriously ill, I don't understand the "Ha".
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
I'd rather look dumb for taking the vaccine than look dumb (really, dead) for not like Marc Bernier, Phil Valentine, or **** Farrell. If only they had listened to the medical professionals over the politicos.
the obscenity filter invalidates the Farrell link. Maybe **** should be allowed to be used, since it can still be a person's name. What if I wanted to write about the **** Van Dyke Show?
ml1 said:
the obscenity filter invalidates the Farrell link. Maybe **** should be allowed to be used, since it can still be a person's name. What if I wanted to write about the **** Van Dyke Show?
Well, to be fair, I think that their actions were pretty obscene.
Steve said:
Well, to be fair, I think that their actions were pretty obscene.
**** Van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins was questionable, but as an expert in this matter, I wouldn't call it obscene.
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
terp said:
Ha. And all these people had to do to not look so dumb is do exactly what they are told like good little children.
And taking ivermectin is not doing exactly what they're told?
The only difference is that they are being told by a$$holes and grifters.
not to mention how idiotic it is to imply that the way to demonstrate that one is critically thinking for him or herself is to refuse to be vaccinated. Certainly for most people it didn't take a lot of time to think through the long list of benefits of being vaccinated and weigh them against the tiny risk. It may have looked like "obedience" when in fact it was simply a no-brainer for millions of people.
The risk reward is personal. The fatality rates are very age stratified and highly dependent on comorbidities including obesity. In addition, the risks are not evenly distributed. J&J affected women differently than men, myocarditis risks in the MRNA vaccines are most acute with young males.
Furthermore, we are finding that natural immunity is vastly superior to what these vaccines offer. This means a couple of things. If you've had Covid, these vaccines probably don't offer much value.
The risk to healthy children is remote and thus the vaccine probably does not offer much value. If they are infected they are likely to have mild symptoms, and are not effective vectors, and they will have natural immunity.
terp said:
The risk reward is personal. The fatality rates are very age stratified and highly dependent on comorbidities including obesity. In addition, the risks are not evenly distributed. J&J affected women differently than men, myocarditis risks in the MRNA vaccines are most acute with young males.
Furthermore, we are finding that natural immunity is vastly superior to what these vaccines offer. This means a couple of things. If you've had Covid, these vaccines probably don't offer much value.
The risk to healthy children is remote and thus the vaccine probably does not offer much value. If they are infected they are likely to have mild symptoms, and are not effective vectors, and they will have natural immunity.
Where are you getting you info?
Can you just let us know how much ivermectin you're taking and what you'd recommend for the rest of us?
Or do you have natural immunity? How can we tell if we do or not?
sprout said:
Terp -- Are you still into ivermectin even after it was revealed that the often-cited study showing effectiveness was actually a big lie?
I don't know. There have definitely been problematic studies that were meant to support it. At the same time there has been a concerted propoganda effort to discredit it. This article has a pretty good rundown. They even tried to smear Joe Rogan with this nonsense.
The introduction of a regimen that included ivermectin in regions of India coincided with a significant drop of cases. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but if it was vaccines that were introduced in the same scenario I doubt it would stop many from giving the vaccines all the credit. Anyway, I do think India is ensuring they have a supply of that drug.
So, I'm not sure. I do think there is a signal that it helps. Even Eric Topol agrees with that and he's not exactly what you'd call anti-vaxx.
jamie said:
terp said:
The risk reward is personal. The fatality rates are very age stratified and highly dependent on comorbidities including obesity. In addition, the risks are not evenly distributed. J&J affected women differently than men, myocarditis risks in the MRNA vaccines are most acute with young males.
Furthermore, we are finding that natural immunity is vastly superior to what these vaccines offer. This means a couple of things. If you've had Covid, these vaccines probably don't offer much value.
The risk to healthy children is remote and thus the vaccine probably does not offer much value. If they are infected they are likely to have mild symptoms, and are not effective vectors, and they will have natural immunity.
Where are you getting you info?
Can you just let us know how much ivermectin you're taking and what you'd recommend for the rest of us?
Or do you have natural immunity? How can we tell if we do or not?
It's interesting. I remember a time when people used to RIP Fox News and its followers because an inordinate percentage thought Saddam had WMDs, for good reason. But now, progressives seem to not understand the risks of this disease.
There are quite a few data sets that have similar information. Here's one.
terp said:
The introduction of a regimen that included ivermectin in regions of India coincided with a significant drop of cases.
Link please.
terp said:
It's interesting. I remember a time when people used to RIP Fox News and its followers because an inordinate percentage thought Saddam had WMDs, for good reason. But now, progressives seem to not understand the risks of this disease.
There are quite a few data sets that have similar information. Here's one.
What's the conclusion from this - not peer reviewed study?
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Does anybody know the correct dosage of Ivermectin in horse wormer paste?
Also, if I am drinking disinfectant and apply UVC light rectally, are there any known negative interactions with Ivermectin.
I also have some chloroquine phosphate for my fish and and wondering if there are interactions with the treatments above.
Really want to avoid catching the corona but I am feel like we don't know enough about the vaccines and don't want to take any risks.