Now, when your personal lawyer takes the 5th., things don't look too good.
Formerlyjerseyjack said:
Cohen just filed a notice to the court of his decision to use 5th. Amendment protection.
What was that quote from Gropenfuhrer? 5th. Amendment somethin', somethin', if you're innocent?
Please tell us that you're not serious; but it is mere mockery.
TomR
.@realDonaldTrump: “If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” pic.twitter.com/jyVZ98WT3p
— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 28, 2016
Tom_R said:
Please tell us that you're not serious; but it is mere mockery.
TomR
See above.
I have known parties whose lawyers were actually sent to jail. In one instance the jailing of the lawyer had nothing to do with the client or the client's case. In the other the client was a victim.
If Trump is innocent of all wrongdoing he should stop defending Cohen. Knowing Trump he may do so whether or not he's innocent.
However I am surprised that he has not thrown Manafort under the bus.
Trump says the investigation of Cohen has nothing to do with Cohen's "tiny, tiny little fraction" of legal work for him.
Formerlyjerseyjack said:
Cohen just filed a notice to the court of his decision to use 5th. Amendment protection.
I wasn't aware that the Constitution/Bill of Rights required advance notice of intent to invoke it (?)
sac said:
Formerlyjerseyjack said:I wasn't aware that the Constitution/Bill of Rights required advance notice of intent to invoke it (?)
Cohen just filed a notice to the court of his decision to use 5th. Amendment protection.
It doesn't but you may do so to keep the charade you are cooperating to the best of your ability.
Too funny. Michael Avenatti on the Twitter this morning:
"Priceless = Watching all of the companies that sent money to the LLC slush fund come up with different alleged reasons for hiring Mr. Cohen – 'accounting advice,' 'real estate consulting,' 'insight,' etc. Who knew Mr. Cohen was such a brilliant renaissance man?"
Yes, this brilliant jurist has some major legal chops. Supreme Court vacancy soon? Just a thought. Could be the most qualified nominee since Harriet Meiers (sp?).
Thinking about all those white bread flyover conservatives who despised Russians, oily NYC pols and lawyers. My, how things change.
In addition to being SD's attorney, Avenatti appears to be a private detective.
Yup, this MVP came out of the blue to disinfect the White House. The talented Mr A. brings together Russians/hookers/oily scumbags in TrumpWorld. He does it all.
A consulting firm owned by Michael Cohen, an attorney for President Donald Trump, reportedly received payments totaling about $500,000 from the U.S. affiliate of a Russian billionaire’s company.
The payments were first reported by porn actress Stormy Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti, who said Tuesday his legal firm had uncovered the transactions. The New York Times later reported on the payments based on interviews and an internal review of financial records. The Daily Beast also said it could confirm Avenatti’s claims, citing an anonymous source.
The Trump administration has really raised the bar when they're able to defeat a racist felon in a primary and nominate a CIA candidate who promises not to torture anyone anymore or destroy any evidence again.
GL2 said:
Thinking about all those white bread flyover conservatives who despised Russians, oily NYC pols and lawyers. My, how things change.
liberal tears. Makes up for a lot of other things
GL2 said:
Yup, this MVP came out of the blue to disinfect the White House. The talented Mr A. brings together Russians/hookers/oily scumbags in TrumpWorld. He does it all.
I was wondering how all these different threads of the plot were going to come together before the season finale.
GL2 said:
Yes, this brilliant jurist has some major legal chops. Supreme Court vacancy soon? Just a thought. Could be the most qualified nominee since Harriet Meiers (sp?).
or G. Harrold Carswell
mlj said:
In addition to being SD's attorney, Avenatti appears to be a private detective.
One would assume that if Avenatti has access to this information, not only did Mueller already have it for a while, but he has access to a lot more. And now Avenatti just announced that more bombshells are coming. I had always assumed Trumps dirty secrets would not come out until after he left the WH (or even after he died), but now I am starting to hope some of it may already be produced by Mueller. That would be quit enjoyable, especially the part where his GOP enablers (which is pretty much 99.9% of GOP) would have to face the music. One can always dream.
Trump's hordes won't care about his dirty secrets.
There could be incontrovertible proof that Russian pumped $10M into his campaign through Cohen and they would dismiss it as either fake news or smart business.
As I contemplate my upcoming jury duty, I thought, how much fun it would be if we could pick our trial.
mrincredible said:
Trump's hordes won't care about his dirty secrets.
There could be incontrovertible proof that Russian pumped $10M into his campaign through Cohen and they would dismiss it as either fake news or smart business.
You are right, there will not be any political consequences. But I am kind of hoping for legal consequences. After all this "lock her up" talk, which was not based on any charges nor on any evidence, this guy is openly lying, colluding, obstructing justice, and lord knows what else. So why couldn't he be charged with any of that, and run the risk of serving jail-time after he leaves the WH. Is that too much to ask? I don't see why.
gerritn said:
mrincredible said:You are right, there will not be any political consequences. But I am kind of hoping for legal consequences. After all this "lock her up" talk, which was not based on any charges nor on any evidence, this guy is openly lying, colluding, obstructing justice, and lord knows what else. So why couldn't he be charged with any of that, and run the risk of serving jail-time after he leaves the WH. Is that too much to ask? I don't see why.
Trump's hordes won't care about his dirty secrets.
There could be incontrovertible proof that Russian pumped $10M into his campaign through Cohen and they would dismiss it as either fake news or smart business.
Well if we are hoping for legal consequences, let's dream big!
Morganna said:
gerritn said:Well if we are hoping for legal consequences, let's dream big!
mrincredible said:You are right, there will not be any political consequences. But I am kind of hoping for legal consequences. After all this "lock her up" talk, which was not based on any charges nor on any evidence, this guy is openly lying, colluding, obstructing justice, and lord knows what else. So why couldn't he be charged with any of that, and run the risk of serving jail-time after he leaves the WH. Is that too much to ask? I don't see why.
Trump's hordes won't care about his dirty secrets.
There could be incontrovertible proof that Russian pumped $10M into his campaign through Cohen and they would dismiss it as either fake news or smart business.
Our dreams are valid!
Morganna said:
gerritn said:Well if we are hoping for legal consequences, let's dream big!
mrincredible said:You are right, there will not be any political consequences. But I am kind of hoping for legal consequences. After all this "lock her up" talk, which was not based on any charges nor on any evidence, this guy is openly lying, colluding, obstructing justice, and lord knows what else. So why couldn't he be charged with any of that, and run the risk of serving jail-time after he leaves the WH. Is that too much to ask? I don't see why.
Trump's hordes won't care about his dirty secrets.
There could be incontrovertible proof that Russian pumped $10M into his campaign through Cohen and they would dismiss it as either fake news or smart business.
You're too modest. You're forgetting Scott Pruitt, Mitch Mcconnell, Devin Nunes, Rya Zinke, Jeff Sessions, Ben Carson, Rick Perry, Mike Pence, John Kelly, Betsy DeVos, Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohn, Mike Pompeo, Steve Mnuchin, Jim Mattis, Nikky Haley, Mick Mulvaney. Just to name a few.
nohero said:
GL2 said:I was wondering how all these different threads of the plot were going to come together before the season finale.
Yup, this MVP came out of the blue to disinfect the White House. The talented Mr A. brings together Russians/hookers/oily scumbags in TrumpWorld. He does it all.
Ain’t over yet. Aside from Avenatti’s rather prickly and numerous legal issues at the moment, and holes already cropping up in some of his statements/findings, he’s not exactly the guy whose coattails I’d be hooking onto for Trump relief. Unless I was desperate for something to hang onto, I suppose. There appear to be some rather serious BSA (amongst others) breaches here that will only embolden those already convinced this is a dirty witch hunt, and which already have some in the banking sector salivating over. If Treasury leaked this info, or Mueller, look out below.
ctrzaska said:
nohero said:Ain’t over yet. Aside from Avenatti’s rather prickly and numerous legal issues at the moment, and holes already cropping up in some of his statements/findings, he’s not exactly the guy whose coattails I’d be hooking onto for Trump relief. Unless I was desperate for something to hang onto, I suppose. There appear to be some rather serious BSA (amongst others) breaches here that will only embolden those already convinced this is a dirty witch hunt, and which already have some in the banking sector salivating over. If Treasury leaked this info, or Mueller, look out below.
I was wondering how all these different threads of the plot were going to come together before the season finale.
I doubt Mueller's office leaked this. It is obvious that Mueller was already on to Cohen's deals months ago. I don't know why Avenatti is disclosing information like this, except for the publicity and screen time that he seems to enjoy. Even if he did have a tip about the amount and sources of funds that went into the company that paid his client, he could have kept quiet and just tried to obtain it through discovery in his lawsuit against Trump (that is, since once big question is, "Who is a party to the agreement", he'd be expected to request discovery on the source of money that went into the account, for proof or lack of proof of Trump's participation).
That being said, while Mueller was clearly aware of all these payments (which all the companies are freely admitting), and Avenatti somehow found it, it's funny that the GOP House Committee that concluded "nothing to see here" didn't seem able to learn any of this.
I'm not as excited by all these revelations as a lot of people seem to be. As much as it would amuse me to see Trump indicted over his business dealings (given that I've suspected the guy is a crook for 30 years), it does nothing to blunt the damage that the extreme right wing is doing to the country. Mike Pence would take over if somehow Trump were removed from office, and likely be more competent in enacting an extreme right wing agenda.
Not to mention the fact that all the circumstances in this country that have produced Trump, as well as the dozens of nuts in Congress like James Inhofe, Steve King, and others just as loony but with lower profiles, will still exist.
Driving Trump from office would in an of itself solve none of the problems that liberals want to see addressed. It would just entertain us for a while.
ctrzaska said:Ain’t over yet. Aside from Avenatti’s rather prickly and numerous legal issues at the moment, and holes already cropping up in some of his statements/findings, he’s not exactly the guy whose coattails I’d be hooking onto for Trump relief.
This. I do worry he's getting out over his skis and enjoying the limelight a bit too much. Someone's leaking some extremely confidential info to him, knowing he will push it out regardless of its potential impact on the investigation.
ml1 said:
I'm not as excited by all these revelations as a lot of people seem to be. As much as it would amuse me to see Trump indicted over his business dealings (given that I've suspected the guy is a crook for 30 years), it does nothing to blunt the damage that the extreme right wing is doing to the country. Mike Pence would take over if somehow Trump were removed from office, and likely be more competent in enacting an extreme right wing agenda.
Not to mention the fact that all the circumstances in this country that have produced Trump, as well as the dozens of nuts in Congress like James Inhofe, Steve King, and others just as loony but with lower profiles, will still exist.
Driving Trump from office would in an of itself solve none of the problems that liberals want to see addressed. It would just entertain us for a while.
What I'm hoping for, is that this will keep dripping for another year and in Trump's 3rd year explode. Then when Pence stepped in, he would have an image tainted enough that it would hurt his chance of getting the next term.
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Cohen just filed a notice to the court of his decision to use 5th. Amendment protection.
What was that quote from Gropenfuhrer? 5th. Amendment somethin', somethin', if you're innocent?