JETS 3-3 GIants 1-5
oh, so that's what the Giants are doing? A little early for that in their division. And what position would they be aiming for in the draft? They have the talent.....or so I have been told.
Maybe I will give you that but quite honestly I am not that impressed with our coach either. His call to throw yesterday instead of running time off the clock almost cost us the game.
Lets see if the Giants bag the season to get the quarterback from USC as so many said the Jets would do. The Jets can definitely use a qb and us fans will admit that. The Giants fans refuse to admit they need to dump Eli. His receivers have bailed him out for years.
not this fan!
Eli is good sometimes. I would love to see a competent back up (not geno) get a shot.
they just suck
EricBurbank said:
Maybe I will give you that but quite honestly I am not that impressed with our coach either. His call to throw yesterday instead of running time off the clock almost cost us the game.
Lets see if the Giants bag the season to get the quarterback from USC as so many said the Jets would do. The Jets can definitely use a qb and us fans will admit that. The Giants fans refuse to admit they need to dump Eli. His receivers have bailed him out for years.
oots said:
not this fan!
Eli is good sometimes. I would love to see a competent back up (not geno) get a shot.
they just suck
EricBurbank said:
Giants fans refuse to admit they need to dump Eli. His receivers have bailed him out for years.
Here, here! (Hear, hear?)
Seems to me that there have been a lot of dropped passes at key times over the years. Beckham makes spectacular catches but drops more than his share of easy ones.
Manning needs to come out ready to play. First two games the offense never showed up, against philly he was asleep for first three quarters and this week he did not wake up till they were down 13-0
While I am sure there have been many dropped passes, there have been far more spectacular catches.
Time for a new QB ---
I'm not a huge football fan anymore, but it still seems like he is in the top 20 of starting quarterbacks. Changing quarterbacks won't change the rest of the team.
Spectacular catches should be frowned upon. They mean the QB didn't hit the receiver in the chest and the receiver had to do gymnastics to make the catch. They lead to injuries and complacency on the part of the QB.
FilmCarp said:
I'm not a huge football fan anymore, but it still seems like he is in the top 20 of starting quarterbacks. Changing quarterbacks won't change the rest of the team.
Top 20 QB at best and past his prime. time for them to get a new QB in the draft /free agency and start the process of getting that QB up to speed. This season is most likely lost given their schedule and their mediocre play.
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Spectacular catches should be frowned upon. They mean the QB didn't hit the receiver in the chest and the receiver had to do gymnastics to make the catch. They lead to injuries and complacency on the part of the QB.
Here, here! (Hear, hear?)
I have argued that same point many times. Can't count how many times I have said " you know the receiver is saying thanks Eli for leaving me defenseless against that monster hit".
Just look at the catches that brought home the rings. Without those receivers Eli has no rings.
Other than Joe Willy, I can't remember a Jets QB who won games for us. Yes, we had QBs that didn't lose the games but there is a big difference.
Bub, do you think the Giants will tank the season on purpose? If they do they should be ashamed of themselves.
Jets have had many horrible seasons and I don't recall them ever trying to tank one. Maybe because they didn't have the "superstars" who knew they would be resigned regardless of the team's season. Maybe they had too much pride. Lets see how the Giants handle this situation.
They don't need to tank on purpose. They are bad enough so far to do it without consciously trying.
EricBurbank said:
Bub, do you think the Giants will tank the season on purpose? If they do they should be ashamed of themselves.
BTW, when you have Geno Smith as your main QB backup, you have to start looking at the front office and not just the coach.
My tanking comment was about the Jets for whom I am, ashamedly, a fan. I think the organization expected their pre-season house cleaning moves to lead to a disastrous record and hence a shot at a franchise QB, perhaps the first ever for the Jets (Namath''s status is subject to debate). I doubt players would purposefully tank and it doesn't look like they are. It would be a shame if they went like 5 and 11 and just missed out on one of the highly regarded QBs in the next draft.
bub said:
My tanking comment was about the Jets for whom I am, ashamedly, a fan. I think the organization expected their pre-season house cleaning moves to lead to a disastrous record and hence a shot at a franchise QB, perhaps the first ever for the Jets (Namath''s status is subject to debate). I doubt players would purposefully tank and it doesn't look like they are. It would be a shame if they went like 5 and 11 and just missed out on one of the highly regarded QBs in the next draft.
The first round of the draft can be such a crapshoot, especially for QBs, that I don't see any upside to tanking. Maybe you don't get Peyton Manning, but maybe you also don't get Tim Couch -- with a Rodgers, Ryan or Roethlisberger waiting for you a little later.
FWIW, Namath is my very definition of a franchise quarterback: the face, the voice and the undisputed on-field leader of the team. Where his actual abilities rank in the pantheon may be debatable (like another franchise QB in my book, Jim McMahon), but he was Broadway Joe for a reason.
And poor Ken O'Brien, who wasn't Dan Marino.
All drafts are crap shoots but this upcoming one is supposed to b strong for QBs and the Jets are in nowheresville in that dept. Must have a serious QB now more than ever because the league is pass oriented. Remember the decades when teams salivated over superstar college running backs and often picked them first? When was the last time an RB was the first pick in the draft?
If the draft is deep at the position, then even less incentive to tank.
And not that Ki-Jana Carter is to blame, but he's an apt marker of the shift in emphasis.
Deep as in 3 or 4 pro ready QBs. It's not like there's 12 guys pegged to be franchise QBs. Look, I love it when teams do better than expected. When in doubt I root for the underdog. But it would hurt if they missed a potential franchise QB by one slot. That said, my overall enthusiasm for football has slipped in recent years (nothing to do with the national anthem). I (and even more so my wife) have been Met/baseball crazy for the last 4 years or so. The Rangers have been interesting and competitive in recent years, which kind of reignited my long dormant love of hockey.
bub said:
I (and even more so my wife) have been Met/baseball crazy for the last 4 years or so. The Rangers have been interesting and competitive in recent years, which kind of reignited my long dormant love of hockey.
Best wishes, then, that your teams and your love of underdogs always match.
Best thing is for a team to play it's best and hope for the best in a draft. there have been to many can't miss first round draft picks that turned out to be a bust. Good quarterbacks on lousy teams go nowhere. Good quarterbacks on great teams go to the playoffs. Manning was a good quarterback on a great team. Marino was a great QB on a team with a consistently lousy defense and only made it to the superbowl once. And despite Manning's two wins in the superbowl, most coaches would take Marino over Manning.
Jets should do whatever they can to win as many games as they can and keep improving.
There is no point to the Jets drafting a QB. They destroy them when they get them. Either they start them too young, or they give them no protection, or they force them to play in a style they are not suited for. Good young QB's come to the Jets to have their careers derailed.
Speaking of first round Rbs that were a bust, who remembers Blair Thomas who the Jets drafted? What a bust!! I swear the Jets are cursed. Doesn't help with front office or coaches either. I loved Pete Carroll but we cut him loose after 1 or maybe 2 seasons.
Franchises are bad and seemingly cursed until they become good for whatever reason - great coach great GM bunch of good drafts. Can anyone remember a single highlight from the SF 49ers before the Walsh/Montana era? The Patriots were consistently mediocre until they lucked into Brady and Belichick and then proceeded to dominate football for 15 years.
Brady rode the bench for a year with the Patriots, learning the team before being thrown in. Unless I have that wrong. Anyway, few guys come out of college really prepared to lead a team as QB.
Nothing was expected of Brady. He was a 6th round pick. Bledsoe was signed to a long time contract at the time but got seriously injured in the 2001 season. The rest is history. Bledsoe was a pretty good QB. Not sure if Brady ever would have got a chance if Bledsoe stayed healthy. The Brady story is not about slowly working a young heir apparent QB into the position. It's a weird dumb luck story all around.
bub said:
Nothing was expected of Brady. He was a 6th round pick. Bledsoe was signed to a long time contract at the time but got seriously injured in the 2001 season. The rest is history. Bledsoe was a pretty good QB. Not sure if Brady ever would have got a chance if Bledsoe stayed healthy. The Brady story is not about slowly working a young heir apparent QB into the position. It's a weird dumb luck story all around.
Hasn’t he proven his talent and skill? 15 years later? For how long can one’s luck last?
ElizMcCord said:
bub said:
Nothing was expected of Brady. He was a 6th round pick. Bledsoe was signed to a long time contract at the time but got seriously injured in the 2001 season. The rest is history. Bledsoe was a pretty good QB. Not sure if Brady ever would have got a chance if Bledsoe stayed healthy. The Brady story is not about slowly working a young heir apparent QB into the position. It's a weird dumb luck story all around.
Hasn’t he proven his talent and skill? 15 years later? For how long can one’s luck last?
You misunderstood me. As much as I dislike him, I think he's the best QB in the history of the league. The luck is Bledsoe's injury. Brady was just an unheralded backup sitting behind a guy locked into a 10 year contract. It took an injury to Bledsoe to unleash Brady upon us.
If Wally Pipp hadn't gotten that headache maybe we never would have heard of Lou Gehrig (though that story seems to be mostly apocryphal)
Who would have thunk it. Not me. But as a Jets fan I have to admit I am loving it. Yes the season is only 1/4 of the way through and anything could happen but it is nice not having to hear the Giant fans every Monday telling you how great they are while the Jets are horrible. I have not seen one co-worker wearing a Giants Jersey on a Monday this season.
It may be short lived but I will take it while I can.
J. E. T. S JETS JETS JETS.