Jared is being investigated

fairplay

Investigators gave Jared some time to solve the Arab-Israeli non-Middle Eastern situation first. It is Jared next. Thought so. Press doesn't know and can only speculate as to why. All roads seem to lead to the Kremlin.


shoshannah

Two words: real estate. One prediction: Ivanka and Jared divorce within the next two years.


fairplay

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 


ElizMcCord

Extremely plausible. 

fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 



South_Mountaineer
fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman.  

In other words, they went to Jared?


DottyParker

Once the Feds start following the money, it can take people to places they could have never imagined.  My advice to Jared:  Throw Big Papa under the train.  Given the chance, Tiny Hands would shiv you first.  Bet on it.  


"I hear the train a comin'
It's rolling round the bend . . . "

 


DottyParker


fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 

Makes sense.


ml1

I've been saying this for months.  It's the only thing that makes sense with regard to Trump's ham-handed attempts to make this investigation go away.  The idea that he or his campaign colluded with Russia to try to win an election in such a roundabout and uncertain way as leaking DNC emails seems pretty doubtful.  It might also explain his tenacious fight against releasing his tax returns.  Who else would lend money to a notorious scam artist like Trump aside from people who needed it laundered through his corporations?

DottyParker said:



fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 

Makes sense.



Red_Barchetta

Here's a really dumb question.  Why would Russians need to launder money?  Who are hey hiding it from?

fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 



Tom_Reingold


shoshannah said:

Two words: real estate. One prediction: Ivanka and Jared divorce within the next two years.

From your lips...

But why do you think so?

I set a calendar alert for May 25, 2019, to see if your prediction comes true. I'll come back to this thread if it still exists.


yahooyahoo

They are already doing this. It's been well documented.

fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 



yahooyahoo

They aren't hiding it.  They want to get their money out of Russia.  Wouldn't you rather have hard assets in the U.S. versus Russia?

Red_Barchetta said:

Here's a really dumb question.  Why would Russians need to launder money?  Who are hey hiding it from?
fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 



LOST


Tom_Reingold said:



shoshannah said:

Two words: real estate. One prediction: Ivanka and Jared divorce within the next two years.

From your lips...

But why do you think so?

I set a calendar alert for May 25, 2019, to see if your prediction comes true. I'll come back to this thread if it still exists.

I do not like these people but why would you like to see that?

And please remember that Ivanka will require a Get.


conandrob240

I would rather that there be some real consequences for all of this behavior. They can stay married, divorce- who cares. But it would be fantastic to see his family members get sent to jail (if warranted)- maybe then Trump will finally see himself for what he truly is. 

I'll bet Eric and Donny Jr are glad to be out of this mess. I would imagine they weren't happy at first feeling pushed out and favoritism to Ivanka/ Jared but they are probably changing their minds now!


DottyParker


Red_Barchetta said:

Here's a really dumb question.  Why would Russians need to launder money?  Who are hey hiding it from?

This Time Magazine article raises the issue of Russian oligarchs’ money-laundering and hiding assets in shell companies in the West.  Mikhail Lesin, a former media minister who had defied Putin regarding his assets, was found dead on November 5, 2015 at the Dupot Circle Hotel in Washington, DC from blunt force trauma to the head.  Officials determined that the cause of death was from a drunken fall after days of excessive alcohol consumption.  Lesin suffered all manner of bruising about his body on the way down to the floor.  

       

time.com:  The Rise and Fall of the Putin Propaganda Czar who Met a Violent End

http://time.com/4256414/the-ri...


wapo.com:  Death of Former Putin Aid at D.C. Hotel Ruled "Accidental"

https://www.washingtonpost.com...



DottyParker

Worthy advice to Jared Kushner from Dem strategist, Paul Begala:  "Don't lie!"  There are too many cooks in this Russian borscht for lies.  


shoshannah
conandrob240 said:

I'll bet Eric and Donny Jr are glad to be out of this mess. I would imagine they weren't happy at first feeling pushed out and favoritism to Ivanka/ Jared but they are probably changing their minds now!

Nah, Eric and DonDon are involved too. But there's no focus on them because they're not in the WH. They may eventually get caught up in it.

You know who's really looking in from the outside? Josh Kushner. He's the brother who wanted nothing to do with the family RE empire and became a venture capitalist. He also voted for Hillary Clinton.

Josh Kushner's Complex World: How Jared's Liberal Brother Runs A Billion Dollar Fund In Trump Era







Tom_Reingold

@LOST, I probably sounded like I'd be happy if they divorced. I don't really care. I just find it to be an interesting prediction. Melania sure doesn't look she's in marital bliss.


kthnry


yahooyahoo said:

They are already doing this. It's been well documented.
fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 

I think money laundering is the most likely issue. Here's a good article from Politico about one transaction in Florida. Rybolovlev is the Russian oligarch who paid $88 million for an apartment in NYC for his 22-year-old daughter a few years ago. They have plundered the country and need to stash their money offshore.

Trump and the Oligarch. He claims no ties to Russia. Here’s how he made millions from one of its wealthiest men.

After paying $41 million for the place in November 2004, Trump called it “the finest piece of land in Florida, and probably the U.S.” He vowed to upgrade the structure into “the second-greatest house in America.” (Second, of course, to his nearby Mar-a-Lago resort.) But Trump had no intention of living there. He intended to flip it for a quick—and huge—profit. His initial asking price, less than two years after buying it, was $125 million. By the time Trump listed the property, in early 2006, the real estate market was already cooling off. The property sat on the market for about two years as a frustrated Trump churned through real estate brokers and slashed his price 20 percent. It wasn’t at all clear who might pay Trump three times his buying price for a neoclassical palace amid a looming recession.
In the summer of 2008, Trump found a solution to his problem in the form of one of the world’s hundred richest men: a 41-year-old Russian billionaire named Dmitry Rybolovlev. Then with a net worth that Forbes estimated at $13 billion, Rybolovlev had made his fortune in the wild west of 1990s post-Soviet Russia. He’d spent a year in prison on murder charges (he was later cleared) and wore a bulletproof vest when his own life was threatened. He would pay Trump $95 million for Maison L’Amitie in what was widely described as the most expensive U.S. residential property sale ever. ...
But the connection isn’t just political. Trump has repeatedly explored business ventures in Russia, partnered with Russians on projects elsewhere, and benefited from Russian largesse in his business ventures. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. said at a real estate conference in 2008. ...
Why did a Russian billionaire pay Trump so much money for a house the new owner is believed never to have set foot in, which he has denied owning, and which he now intends to tear down? The answer offers an important window into Trump’s kinship with Russia’s oligarchs, and what he likely sees in them as business allies. It is also a story of a classic Trump deal: a lucrative flip, figures on both sides that don’t really add up, and at the center, a house that may not have been what either party claimed.



BG9

Two of Trump's sons said he's gotten money for his golf courses and real estate from Russian investors. Why would they lie about that?

We also know after his many bankruptcies American stopped lending.

It may be amazing and hard to believe but it seems our president is a Russian made oligarch.


drummerboy

you obviously don't watch Rachel Maddow. Deutsche Bank (sp?) just paid a 650 million dollar fine for laundering 50 billion for the Russians. I'm sure they still made out big time on the transactions, even with the fines.


When you get money through illegal means, you have to launder it, even if you're a Russian oligarch.


Red_Barchetta said:

Here's a really dumb question.  Why would Russians need to launder money?  Who are hey hiding it from?
fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 



drummerboy

tangent - the Joseph Kushner Jewish Academy across from Newark Academy in Livingston is the Kushner family. I think Joseph was Jared's grandfather.


shoshannah
drummerboy said:

tangent - the Joseph Kushner Jewish Academy across from Newark Academy in Livingston is the Kushner family. I think Joseph was Jared's grandfather.

Um, no kidding. It was always a yeshiva. Jared went there. When Charles Kushner (Jared's father) donated a bundle, it was renamed in honor of Charles's father, Joseph (Jared's grandfather).


ctrzaska


drummerboy said:

you obviously don't watch Rachel Maddow. Deutsche Bank (sp?) just paid a 650 million dollar fine for laundering 50 billion for the Russians. I'm sure they still made out big time on the transactions, even with the fines.

When you get money through illegal means, you have to launder it, even if you're a Russian oligarch.

Red_Barchetta said:

Here's a really dumb question.  Why would Russians need to launder money?  Who are hey hiding it from?
fairplay said:

Another prediction: Russian oligarchs use Trump real estate to launder money.(duh!) With Jared as middleman. 

 

It was $10B not $50B, on simple mirror trades, they probably didn't make anything given the size of the two fines, and this is likely less about laundering proceeds from illegal activity than it is a way to simply transfer cash out of Russia (behind the backs of their OWN folks as much as ours), even within what is likely the same bene.

As to the purchase of the FL property, consider this... you think the Chinese are buying half of Manhattan's premier apartments because they like the views, or that the Emirates summer crowd just likes British accents?


DottyParker

At this point, I would not be surprised if Jared (and/or Ivanka) would like to leave the White House. Paranoia, suspicion and fear does not make for a pleasant work place.  Especially since some staffers will need legal representation.  At this point, Trump may wonder if he can trust Jared and, by extension, Ivanka. If the Feds have anything on Jared that could implicate him, they may well use it to influence his cooperation going forward.  Since Trump returned from overseas -- other than his usual "fake news" tweets -- there has been radio silence from the White House.  Jared was supposed to be launching some kind of "war room" to push back on the Russia investigations.  We shall see.


DottyParker

Now it appears that Jared is being urged to take a leave.  Aides close to Trump wouldn't be pushing Jared out unless Big Poppa wanted it done.  (Remember, Jared.  Don't lie.)


thehill.com:  Kushner Under Pressure to Take Hiatus from White House

http://thehill.com/homenews/ad...


ElizMcCord


DottyParker said:

Now it appears that Jared is being urged to take a leave.  Aides close to Trump wouldn't be pushing Jared out unless Big Poppa wanted it done.  (Remember, Jared.  Don't lie.)




thehill.com:  Kushner Under Pressure to Take Hiatus from White House

http://thehill.com/homenews/ad...



Tom_Reingold

It's not looking for for Trump et al, but I can't predict where this will go. There are several possible directions.


GL2

Dear DJT, this is what real statesmen do:

VERSAILLES, France, May 29 (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron, standing alongside Russia’s Vladimir Putin, on Monday dubbed two Russian media outlets “agents of influence” which he said had spread fake news about him during his election campaign.



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