How far will Trump go? Child Abuse Edition.

LOST said:
Jamie and Dave Ross,
Can't we have a zero tolerance policy for a*sholes?

 I don't know. Its a good reminder of the stupidity abounding in our country. Also, comedic in a sad way.

gerritn said:

cramer said:

cramer said:
Trump says he will sign a preemptive measure to keep families together.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-says-hes-going-to-sign-a-preemptive-measure-to-keep-migrant-families-together.html

Trump will be signing an Executive Order before he leaves for Minnesota today. He has been saying that only Congress could do something.  

I am not a legal expert, but why does he have to do this by Executive Order? Why can't he just call Jeff Sessions and tell him to back off? As far as I know he didn't need an executive order to start this zero tolerance nonsense, so why does he need one to stop it?

Because with Trump everything has to be a circus, a tacky show. Mr. Only I Can Fix It. Our great savior, hero, etc. His base eats it up, like Opioids.

Just as, we were told, his meeting with Kim saved us from nuclear Armageddon.

gerritn said:

I am not a legal expert, but why does he have to do this by Executive Order? Why can't he just call Jeff Sessions and tell him to back off? As far as I know he didn't need an executive order to start this zero tolerance nonsense, so why does he need one to stop it?

From NYT:

Mr. Trump’s executive order would seek to get around an existing 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores settlement, that prohibits the federal government from keeping children in immigration detention — even if they are with their parents — for more than 20 days.

https://nyti.ms/2I7wWAA?smid=nytcore-ios-share

ramsraymond72 said:
Way out of line Dave23

Apologies if I missed your post opposing Trump's "infest" language and child separation initiative. So far, you've only posted your support of him while attacking our opposition to him.  

Still an interesting turn of events. Trump backed down on this one. And fairly quickly. We'll have to see what the short term looks like of course. And Trump is getting ready to start an 8 day tour of holding rallies for the deplorables, so we're likely to see lots of unhinged rhetoric on this issue.

ramsraymond72 said:
Wow....... Blizzard conditions in Mapso currently!!.....when someone references Rachel Maddow I feel even stronger how obtuse you clowns are.

 That would be me, and as your man appears to be influenced by the outcry, never underestimate the power of clowns.

Trump: I'm gonna set this dumpster full of cats on fire.

Libs: What?

Trump: (Sets dumpster full of cats on fire) Looks, the Dems set a dumpster full of cats on fire!

Libs: What? Now we didn't-

Cons: Womp womp! Look at all those burning cats! If only you could save them libs!

Libs: (Crying) But the cats! Do something!

Cons: Sorry, we're too busy taking our nice non-burning cats to the cat picnic.

Libs: The cats are on fire!

Cons: Ha ha! If they didn't want to be burned, they should stay out of the dumpster.

Libs: That's it, I'm signing a Facebook petition.

Trump: Ta-da!!! I had a fire extinguisher behind my back all along! (Puts out fire.) Aren't I amazing? You know, I can't believe you Libs just sat there and watched those cats burn! I put the fire, because I'm the best at everything.

Libs: Thanks, I think.

Cons: Yay! Cat picnic!

Trump: Screw you, I canceled the cat picnic. You'll have to take your cats someplace else.

Cons: Oh, okay. But we...

Trump: Off to yell random crazy **** to my fans in the mid-west, bye!

Cons: ... still love you, Trump.

Womp womp, indeed.

drummerboy said:
Still an interesting turn of events. Trump backed down on this one. And fairly quickly. We'll have to see what the short term looks like of course. And Trump is getting ready to start an 8 day tour of holding rallies for the deplorables, so we're likely to see lots of unhinged rhetoric on this issue.

 I don’t care why he did it, just thanking  god that  he did and no more children will be put through this hell.

And, hey Trump- I will never forget what you’ve done no matter what you do from here forward to make it “right”. Monster 

nohero said:

ramsraymond72 said:
Im more then welcome to come meet with you and talk about our times in the military.

 At Fist City and Knuckle Junction?
(Possibly obscure long-time MOL reader reference)

 With pancakes?

conandrob240 said:

drummerboy said:
Still an interesting turn of events. Trump backed down on this one. And fairly quickly. We'll have to see what the short term looks like of course. And Trump is getting ready to start an 8 day tour of holding rallies for the deplorables, so we're likely to see lots of unhinged rhetoric on this issue.

 I don’t care why he did it, just thanking  god that  he did and no more children will be put through this hell.


And, hey Trump- I will never forget what you’ve done no matter what you do from here forward to make it “right”. Monster 

 Yeah, except that kids as young as eight months are being flown around the country without their parents. What if the forget who their parents are?? Monster? Absolutely! Think of all the lost children for generations to come!

DaveSchmidt said:

gerritn said:

I am not a legal expert, but why does he have to do this by Executive Order? Why can't he just call Jeff Sessions and tell him to back off? As far as I know he didn't need an executive order to start this zero tolerance nonsense, so why does he need one to stop it?

From NYT:
Mr. Trump’s executive order would seek to get around an existing 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores settlement, that prohibits the federal government from keeping children in immigration detention — even if they are with their parents — for more than 20 days.

https://nyti.ms/2I7wWAA?smid=nytcore-ios-share

 frankly this sound only marginally better. I don't think anyone should be celebrating this. 

It's almost 5pm and I don't think any order has been issued yet. I don't think they themselves have this sorted out yet. How unusual.

ramsraymond72 said:
How much do you all cry for the children that are separated from their parents when the have to do a tour of duty to keep our country safe.....let me guess....none of you....don't even say but they still have another parent to watch them

 The parents who join the Service join with full awareness that they will be separated from their children if they are deployed. I’m sure it’s hard but it’s not abuse. 

ramsraymond72 said:
How much do you all cry for the children that are separated from their parents when the have to do a tour of duty to keep our country safe.....let me guess....none of you....don't even say but they still have another parent to watch them

Can you try to be less stupid?

dave23 said:

ramsraymond72 said:
I don't worship any false God.....I just support OUR president....I'm a 4 star general with 9 purple hearts and a gold star to boot....they call me Rambo.......good enough Thump?

Then you are more than prepared to help your man Trump eradicate the infestation of brown people.

 Up here on RI’s East Bay: we have the Big Blue Bug, a Rt. 95 landmark giant bug on top of a bldg. Traffic reports routinely orient drivers by citing the bug. Any immigrant trying to infest Little Rhody is in for a fight. 

conandrob240 said:
we say “breaking point”, “turning point” at every disgusting turn. Nothing stops him,nothing breaks him. I’m despondent.


I can’t be infuriated and heartbroken every second of every day anymore. I want out. I honestly just can’t bear it anymore.

 Couldn't agree more

cubby said:

conandrob240 said:
we say “breaking point”, “turning point” at every disgusting turn. Nothing stops him,nothing breaks him. I’m despondent.


I can’t be infuriated and heartbroken every second of every day anymore. I want out. I honestly just can’t bear it anymore.

 Couldn't agree more

 We will triumph in the end. This too shall pass. Please hang on. I do empathize, but i think it will end.

I wonder if they kept track of which children belong to which parent and where they all are. Something tells me they didn't.

gerritn said:
I wonder if they kept track of which children belong to which parent and where they all are. Something tells me they didn't.

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they chipped them. The end is near. 

gerritn said:
I wonder if they kept track of which children belong to which parent and where they all are. Something tells me they didn't.

Here:

He said that lawyers for Catholic Charities have handled 18 cases of separated children who have asked judges for “voluntary departure,” or to be sent back, and another 15 were considering that option. Some have already left, he said.

But sending children back to countries like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador can be difficult because often the government does not know whether the parent is still in the United States or has already been deported.

“There is no system whatsoever to track these family separations, no efforts systematically to reunite these families,” Mr. Enriquez said. “There is no supervisor, there is no database saying, ‘child here, parent there,’ so they can come back together.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/nyregion/children-separated-border-new-york.html

“There is no system whatsoever to track these family separations, no efforts systematically to reunite these families,” Mr. Enriquez said. “There is no supervisor, there is no database saying, ‘child here, parent there,’ so they can come back together.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/nyregion/children-separated-border-new-york.html

 Which just goes to show you exactly how much the Feds actually give a crap about these poor people. Utterly despicable.

drummerboy said:

ramsraymond72 said:
How much do you all cry for the children that are separated from their parents when the have to do a tour of duty to keep our country safe.....let me guess....none of you....don't even say but they still have another parent to watch them

Can you try to be less stupid?

 Don't you think that's kind of offensive? He is a Math teacher at CHS.

cubby said:

conandrob240 said:
we say “breaking point”, “turning point” at every disgusting turn. Nothing stops him,nothing breaks him. I’m despondent.


I can’t be infuriated and heartbroken every second of every day anymore. I want out. I honestly just can’t bear it anymore.

 Couldn't agree more

 We will triumph in the end. This too shall pass. Please hang on. I do empathize, but i think it will end.

drummerboy said:

“There is no system whatsoever to track these family separations, no efforts systematically to reunite these families,” Mr. Enriquez said. “There is no supervisor, there is no database saying, ‘child here, parent there,’ so they can come back together.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/nyregion/children-separated-border-new-york.html

 Which just goes to show you exactly how much the Feds actually give a crap about these poor people. Utterly despicable.

 How terrifying.

gerritn said:

drummerboy said:

ramsraymond72 said:
How much do you all cry for the children that are separated from their parents when the have to do a tour of duty to keep our country safe.....let me guess....none of you....don't even say but they still have another parent to watch them

Can you try to be less stupid?

 Don't you think that's kind of offensive? He is a Math teacher at CHS.

 kind of sad then, that this is how he argues. 

gerritn said:

drummerboy said:

ramsraymond72 said:
How much do you all cry for the children that are separated from their parents when the have to do a tour of duty to keep our country safe.....let me guess....none of you....don't even say but they still have another parent to watch them

Can you try to be less stupid?

 Don't you think that's kind of offensive? He is a Math teacher at CHS.

A teacher?  Really?  I always get a kick out of Trump supporters who are also union members.  Perhaps they don't see how workers' rights are being dismantled under the Trump Administration.

gerritn said:

drummerboy said:

ramsraymond72 said:
How much do you all cry for the children that are separated from their parents when the have to do a tour of duty to keep our country safe.....let me guess....none of you....don't even say but they still have another parent to watch them

Can you try to be less stupid?

 Don't you think that's kind of offensive? He is a Math teacher at CHS.

 If he's a teacher I pray for his students. 

If that guy is a teacher I am really glad my kid is no longer in the school system. Not because of his politics - but because of his incoherent arguments. Somebody with critical thinking skills that poor has no business teaching.

HatsOff said:
If that guy is a teacher I am really glad my kid is no longer in the school system. Not because of his politics - but because of his incoherent arguments. Somebody with critical thinking skills that poor has no business teaching.

He's just trolling.

One thing Trump does is to take a legitimate concern (border security, North Korea, trade imbalances) and wrap it in fear and white victimhood to the point where it becomes nothing but drama and hysteria and nothing good comes out of it.

It would be nice to have an adult conversation about border security, for example, including a discussion of how to address the factors that make people desperate enough to leave their homes with nothing to attempt a dangerous and uncertain trip north to try to enter the United States.

I read in a BBC article backgrounder on the weekender that the children are deemed 'abandoned' or parentless, therefore the govt is forced to make new arrangements for them without their siblings  through fostering agencies. Note: not 'find your family' agencies, because most are barely speaking and don't have papers; fostering/ adoption. Probably to another country, I guess.