ELI IS DONE

Agreed? Bring in Lauletta? Trade for someone? Kaepernick?

Agreed.  Whatever they do, unless they also somehow fix the o-line, I don't think any replacement will be much more successful (some more pocket mobility will help, but only to a degree....)

NotoriousEAM said:

ELI IS DONE

Jeez, I hope so. I said this last year and everybody shouted me down.

Eli has been a great, dependable, clean, mature leader, no question. Never a scandal, never a bad work from him or about him. But it has to be about winning at some point, not personal loyalty. 

Giants are a fascinating offense to watch, with Barkley so awesome and Eli so awful. 

He'll always have those two Super Bowl MVPs but that was a LONG time ago.   

Smedley said:
Giants are a fascinating offense to watch, with Barkley so awesome and Eli so awful. 
He'll always have those two Super Bowl MVPs but that was a LONG time ago.   

Indeed, it was a LONG TIME AGO. Eli's brought honor to this franchise and will go down as one of the greatest Giants. But at this point, one cannot argue that a Kyle Lauletta could do worse as we've reached rock bottom. And there were moments in some of this year's losses where a semi-mobile quarterback could've evaded the rush or could've extended a play by moving around more in the pocket. The next game is a Monday night matchup against the Falcons. Honestly, the way Matt Ryan is playing, this could be a blowout on a national stage which could lead to the benching of Eli if he doesn't lead them to victory. 

Yes, the fans howled last year when Eli was benched for one game, but for most, I don’t think it was the benching itself. Instead, people were outraged because:

• They were benching him for Geno Smith, not Webb or anyone who had any hope of being the team’s QB of the future. So they obliterated the explanation that would have allowed everyone to save face (season’s over, let’s look at a young guy to see if he can be the eventual Eli replacement).
• McAdoo’s abysmal communication skills and complete lack of awareness of how certain statements and actions would be received by media and fans
• They approached the subject with Eli in about the most insulting way possible. Even if they had said, “We’re going with someone else on Sunday” it would have been better than “We’re going with someone else on Sunday, but we’re going to make you look like a pathetic old-timer by playing you for a series or two to keep your stupid streak alive.”

Even as someone who wanted a change, the way it was handled left a bad feeling, and I understood why they drastically reversed course for the final games. On the other hand, the fact that major franchise decisions since then seem to be fixated, at least partly, on avoiding any possibility of re-offending Eli, is a much bigger mistake, one that could hurt the franchise for years to come.

Giants O line is not as bad as some make it out.  Eli had situations with plenty of  time and then did nothing.  and somehow, that same line is  finding holes for Barkley.  And a mobile QB would at least avoid the rush sometimes.  

Manning has been below average for some time.

Im not a huge Giants fan, so I'll ask: have they got someone better?  

Kaepernick's not a bad idea, if they could figure out the cap room they would need to sign him. I don't think you can just push Lauleta in there, with no experience and almost no familiarity with the system. I don't think that would be fair, to him or the team. As for Eli, how do you do the right thing with him? He has meant so much to this team, but I agree he's lost it.

Kaepernick could probably help, and some in the media have called for this, but I think the Giants are about the least likely team in the league to sign him. As an organization they are very conservative and risk averse and would never do it IMO.

I just read that Lauletta is not even active. It's Alex Tanney, whoever he is. There's talk about trading for Joe Flacco or waiting next year and signing next year's free agents Teddy Bridgewater (who knows him from the Vikes) or Sam Bradford who signed a one-year contract with the Cards (who drafted Josh Rosen). Unless they are going to draft a QB like that dude from Oregon. 

Nonetheless, Eli is still one of the top three quarterbacks, -in his family.

(I stole that joke)

NotoriousEAM said:
I just read that Lauletta is not even active. It's Alex Tanney, whoever he is. There's talk about trading for Joe Flacco or waiting next year and signing next year's free agents Teddy Bridgewater (who knows him from the Vikes) or Sam Bradford who signed a one-year contract with the Cards (who drafted Josh Rosen). Unless they are going to draft a QB like that dude from Oregon. 

 They should have a pretty good draft pick, that is for sure.

NotoriousEAM said:
Agreed? Bring in Lauletta? Trade for someone? Kaepernick?

 You may be right, but tell who'd be better behind that POS O Line? 

Soul_29 said:

NotoriousEAM said:
Agreed? Bring in Lauletta? Trade for someone? Kaepernick?

 You may be right, but tell who'd be better behind that POS O Line? 

 Anyone with legs that work.

But, seriously, Giants fans, what do you have to look forward to this year? What's your prediction for the Giants final record? 

Signed, 

A Jets Fan

Soul_29 said:

NotoriousEAM said:
Agreed? Bring in Lauletta? Trade for someone? Kaepernick?

 You may be right, but tell who'd be better behind that POS O Line? 

 I don't think the o line is as bad as some make it out to be.  There was one play where manning had plenty of time and just did not make a throw and has no legs to get out of the pocket. 

Packers O line has not been great and some how Aaron Rodgers deals with it quite well.  

Manning needs to step down and retire gracefully.  

mfpark said:

NotoriousEAM said:
I just read that Lauletta is not even active. It's Alex Tanney, whoever he is. There's talk about trading for Joe Flacco or waiting next year and signing next year's free agents Teddy Bridgewater (who knows him from the Vikes) or Sam Bradford who signed a one-year contract with the Cards (who drafted Josh Rosen). Unless they are going to draft a QB like that dude from Oregon. 

 They should have a pretty good draft pick, that is for sure.

 All I heard on TV after last week’s game was that if the Giants had a do-over, they’d draft a QB at No. 2. I don’t get the second-guessing. Barkley looks like a special talent. Darnold, Allen, Rosen, even Mayfield — are any of them so great that you can’t wait one more year to get your QB and still have Barkley?

At this point there seems to be no doubt that right now the Giants got the best player in the 2018 draft.  Maybe Mayfield or one of the others becomes the next Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers (neither of whom were top 20 draft picks btw).  But it looks like the Giants got the next Barry Sanders.

I like Barkley. He's definitely a top running back already! He's got hands like Todd Gurley but is faster and more elusive. I'd activate Lauletta and slowly insert him in the many games that the Giants are likely to be losing this season, draft a QB and hope for the best in 2019. As disappointing as the o-line is the defense which couldn't generate a pass rush if all 11 guys blitz. 

NotoriousEAM said:
I like Barkley. He's definitely a top running back already! He's got hands like Todd Gurley but is faster and more elusive. I'd activate Lauletta and slowly insert him in the many games that the Giants are likely to be losing this season, draft a QB and hope for the best in 2019. As disappointing as the o-line is the defense which couldn't generate a pass rush if all 11 guys blitz. 

 No, they're just counting to 30 Mississippi.

That’s hilarious on multiple levels.

QB is the most important position in the game, and finding a franchise QB is tough.  It's not every year that you are going to have a high draft pick with a draft class that is thought to be rich in QBs.  

bub said:
QB is the most important position in the game, and finding a franchise QB is tough.  It's not every year that you are going to have a high draft pick with a draft class that is thought to be rich in QBs.  

 True. And next year's draft doesn't have any sure-fire hits. The draft in 2020 looks strong with Jake Fromm from Georgia and Tua Tagovailoa from Alabama, both of whom are winners. It'll also feature some major offensive line talent. I like the idea of trading for a Teddy Bridgewater or Jacoby Brissett to keep the seat warm for the future QB who I don't think is named Lauletta.

bub said:
QB is the most important position in the game, and finding a franchise QB is tough.  It's not every year that you are going to have a high draft pick with a draft class that is thought to be rich in QBs.  

 There’s that, but (a) sometimes all it takes is a Foles or Flacco to do the job, (b) diamonds, as ml1 noted, can be mined in later rounds and (c) it’s a crapshoot even in the reputedly richest of drafts. If my team grabs a game-changer at another position instead, I’m not having regrets. 

DaveSchmidt said:

bub said:
QB is the most important position in the game, and finding a franchise QB is tough.  It's not every year that you are going to have a high draft pick with a draft class that is thought to be rich in QBs.  

 There’s that, but (a) sometimes all it takes is a Foles or Flacco to do the job, (b) diamonds, as ml1 noted, can be mined in later rounds and (c) it’s a crapshoot even in the reputedly richest of drafts. If my team grabs a game-changer at another position instead, I’m not having regrets. 

agree.

For every Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz who pans out, there's a Marcus Mariotta or Jameis Winston who is just an average QB.  And sometimes you find a Tom Brady in the 6th round or a Brett Favre in the 2nd round.

and some great teams have won with average qb's (trent Dilfer) and some great qb's could not get get their team a SB championship (Marino)..  

So get the best players you can get including Barkley and get the best qb you can get.

We are long into the era of the passing game.  Plus, I'd say that RBs are more of a crapshoot than QBs simply because of the beating they take and their relatively early peak performance age.   There are franchise QBs playing now in their late 30s to 40 - Brady, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben.  How many RBs make it to their early 30s?

bub said:
We are long into the era of the passing game.  Plus, I'd say that RBs are more of a crapshoot than QBs simply because of the beating they take and their relatively early peak performance age.   There are franchise QBs playing now in their late 30s to 40 - Brady, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben.  How many RBs make it to their early 30s?

 I love Barkley. He might very well be a Hall of Famer. But on the day he gets his gold blazer, Sam Darnold could be getting ready for another season with the Jets.

bub said:
We are long into the era of the passing game.  Plus, I'd say that RBs are more of a crapshoot than QBs simply because of the beating they take and their relatively early peak performance age.   There are franchise QBs playing now in their late 30s to 40 - Brady, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben.  How many RBs make it to their early 30s?

that's a good point.  But how many top 5 draft picks have been wasted on QBs that were failures long before they turned 30?  I don't think anybody really thought the QBs in the '18 draft were can't-miss prospects.  What if you picked the next Jamarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf or Johnny Manziel?